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European Commission proposes a reform to the way the Internet is managed and run

98 点作者 Hagelin超过 11 年前

21 条评论

forgotAgain超过 11 年前
Like the governance in England where the government decides what you should be watching? Perhaps they&#x27;ll uses the French model and make it illegal to say anything critical about the French government. Or perhaps they&#x27;ll adopt the Turkish attitude of jail time for those who speak the truth (if Turkey gets into the EU). How are they better than the American model of Uncle Sam lurking in the background of everyone&#x27;s lives waiting for the wrong words to be written so the entrapment teams can be sent.<p>Government control of the internet, by any government, will inevitably lead to censorship.<p>Edit: to address comments<p>From: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_the_United_Kingdom" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Internet_censorship_in_the_Unit...</a><p>There is an ongoing program to introduce a broad system of default blocking of certain types of content to all Internet users in the UK. New customers have their Internet access filtered at the ISP level so that certain web sites are blocked
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sdfjkl超过 11 年前
&quot;Governments of the Industrial World, you weary giants of flesh and steel, I come from Cyberspace, the new home of Mind. On behalf of the future, I ask you of the past to leave us alone. You are not welcome among us. You have no sovereignty where we gather.&quot;<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Declaration_of_the_Independence_of_Cyberspace" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;A_Declaration_of_the_Independen...</a>
rtpg超过 11 年前
no matter what the intentions, this sort of notion that we have to formalize the governance of the internet seems like just the sort of thing to bring about a &quot;death by committee&quot; when it comes to internet freedom.<p>Personally, I don&#x27;t understand how the current governance of the internet is an issue. The only thing that enables stuff like all the NSA spying is that American companies are by and large the major providers of services. No amount of governance will fix that problem.<p>On the other hand, many European countries do have some pretty heavy-handed approaches to information regulation, which I definitely would not want to affect the status quo.
morkbot超过 11 年前
Some here are quick to dismiss it as another attempt at &quot;evil government seizing the control over oh-so-free Internet&quot;, whereas if you actually read what&#x27;s there it&#x27;s more about taking the governance over Internet out of American hands (basically what ICANN wants anyway) + doing something (not sure what exactly) to ensure the freedom in the Internet.<p>Not bad ideas in themselves, dunno about the execution. Personally I think it wouldn&#x27;t be that bad to have <i>some</i> governmental control over <i>some</i> of the Internet functions.<p>Prefer this instead of leaving it at hands of corporations that only care about money (even if I agree that it&#x27;s all a muddy area that can lead to some bad stuff too).
alkonaut超过 11 年前
Let&#x27;s face it, the internet is centralized (hierarchical), not distributed. ICANN has taken giant steps to being a &quot;global&quot; organization, but in the end it&#x27;s still a californian non-profit.<p>These reforms seem to just aim to make ICANN a more globally managed organization, and increase transparency in top-level decisionmaking. I can&#x27;t see anywhere where it says it wants to increase governments&#x27; ability to block cat videos.
higherpurpose超过 11 年前
Shame Neelie Kroes will be gone soon. She&#x27;s been pushing some pretty good digital agendas with her position in the EU Commission. Hopefully her work won&#x27;t be undone by whoever replaces her after the EU elections.
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oleganza超过 11 年前
&quot;globalise key decision-making (for example the coordination of domain names and IP addresses) to safeguard the stability, security and resilience of the Internet&quot;<p>Sounds like they want to make the internet a more centrally-controlled thing &quot;to protect you better&quot;. Internet does not need any central oversight and regulation. People just need freedom to move their bytes around as cheap as possible. We are capable to figure out how to build secure schemes, encrypted channels etc on our own, completely voluntarily. Everyone is able to choose tools and protocols that suit them best.
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powertower超过 11 年前
Isn&#x27;t the &quot;management&quot; of the internet already kind of off-hands by the US gov and somewhat open (I&#x27;m not talking about the spying stuff). Especially with regards to the draconian ways other countries treat it (China, Iran, etc).<p>So what the EU really is saying is that they want to lock things down a bit further.<p>The want more domain-name control, more gov level blocking and filtering, more surveillance, more data retention, and all kinds of new laws.<p>The sad part of all this is the naive crowd here is probably thinking - finally, let them stick it to the US!
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cLeEOGPw超过 11 年前
I don&#x27;t know whether to agree with this or not. On one hand, a control point can easily be exploited by governments to censor and control users. On other, uncontrolled internet tends to form around where money is. And money is again in the governments that have enough to turn internet to their advantage. EC would be better after all, because that way we have to fight not with multibillion dollars of investments from large governments, but with votes while electing commission members.
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gadders超过 11 年前
Based on the European Commission&#x27;s current record for incompetence, corruption and inefficiency, I wouldn&#x27;t trust them to run me a bath.
rikkus超过 11 年前
Governments have some control over the &#x27;managing&#x27; and &#x27;running&#x27; of the Internet, via TLD control, blocking, filtering, surveillance and legislation (e.g. the cookie law in EU), but even with all these in place, they&#x27;re not really &#x27;running&#x27; the Internet. If they did, there&#x27;d be no newsgroups, no torrents and no porn. They&#x27;re seizing more control as time goes on, however: See the death of Net Neutrality in the US.<p>I&#x27;d like to see governments pledge to back off from the Internet. Unfortunately I can&#x27;t see that ever happening. Forever pushing for more governance means that the non-government-approved portion will get bigger and erect more walls around it. If governments want to govern, they need to be more accepting of the &#x27;net in its natural state and deal with it on those terms, rather than forcing citizens to choose to be on the &#x27;light side&#x27; or &#x27;dark side&#x27; (choose for yourself which term applies to which).
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fidotron超过 11 年前
These noises are inevitable and will grow.<p>The root problem is the load of nonsense that was peddled about the net being resilient to nuclear war etc. When really it&#x27;s too centralized. The killer transition that needs to occur is to move DNS from being authoritative to being a matter of opinion. (Rather like having multiple got repos instead of a central SVN server). This would solve a lot of problems, but prevent the US from projecting a lot of soft power around.
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mattmanser超过 11 年前
Wonder what they&#x27;ll do it the US just says no.
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mcv超过 11 年前
Neelie Kroes is pretty much the only notable politician I&#x27;d trust to get this right. She&#x27;s generally on the side of openness, transparency, competition, etc. You might have heard of her before in the base of the EU vs. Microsoft at the height of their monopoly.
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atmosx超过 11 年前
I&#x27;d like to see a system based on the bitcoin protocol handling the TLD (namecoin?): You can&#x27;t block it, you have public access to the registration data and with US, China, Russia and the EU involved, it&#x27;s hard to achieve a 51%-attack.
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anuraj超过 11 年前
The biggest threat to internet is from governments. Time to think of an independent, autonomous internet that is dynamically formed and cannot be controlled or monitored by design
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veganarchocap超过 11 年前
And here marks the end of what the Internet was supposed to be.
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walshemj超过 11 年前
What could possibly go wrong that cookie laws was so successful:-)
akie超过 11 年前
That&#x27;s really awesome, and I hope it succeeds.
davidnu超过 11 年前
No governments please! Internet governance is fine as is. European opportunism and grandstanding is of no use to anyone.
cwaniak超过 11 年前
News Ycombinator regular Marxist folk is very excited to hear about internet regulation!