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Hemingway Takes the Hemingway Test

52 点作者 route66超过 11 年前

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syllogism超过 11 年前
What I take away from this is: communicating heuristic-based behaviour to users is damn hard.<p>The irony here is that the beautiful name, &quot;Hemmingway&quot;, leads people to paste bloody _literature_ into a style linter! You wouldn&#x27;t even be able to hire an unqualified human to give you meaningful style feedback.<p>Nobody writing a novel should want this sort of thing. That&#x27;s stupid. It&#x27;s not for writing a novel. Verbal art is always going to break all the rules and invert expectations.<p>This would be like checking visual design heuristics against paintings or art photographs. Surprise surprise, they break your design rules!<p>Calling the app &quot;Hemmingway&quot; brands the app beautifully, and gets people engaged...unfortunately the engagement is jumping all over it for something it was never supposed to do.<p>I think there&#x27;s good potential for style linting, it&#x27;s a really under-explored area. And I think probably the app&#x27;s rules, as implemented in this alpha, aren&#x27;t that much up to scratch. You&#x27;d at least want to run a POS tagger, and probably a parser, to give better feedback.<p>So long as the heuristics are _correlated_ with common style problems, you can get some use out of the app. But apparently that&#x27;s a difficult story to tell.
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ivan_ah超过 11 年前
Way to go Adam (<a href="http://twitter.com/Adam_B_Long" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;Adam_B_Long</a>) for getting covered in The New Yorker!<p>If it is no secret: did you get in touch with them or did they seek you out? Did you have a press kit[1] ready, or was this done on the fly?<p>I&#x27;d also be interested to hear about the technology you&#x27;re using, and how it compares to the pattern-based approach of LanguageTool, e.g.,[2].<p>[1] <a href="http://www.austenallred.com/the-hackers-guide-to-getting-press/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.austenallred.com&#x2F;the-hackers-guide-to-getting-pre...</a> [2] <a href="https://github.com/languagetool-org/languagetool/blob/master/languagetool-core/src/main/java/org/languagetool/rules/LongSentenceRule.java" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;languagetool-org&#x2F;languagetool&#x2F;blob&#x2F;master...</a>
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meepmorp超过 11 年前
For a slightly less tolerant review of the app&#x27;s behavior (generally, and on Hemingway specifically) check out Mark Liberman&#x27;s take here:<p><a href="http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=10416" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu&#x2F;nll&#x2F;?p=10416</a>
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csense超过 11 年前
Why do people want to emulate Hemingway&#x27;s style?<p>He&#x27;s an awful writer. I couldn&#x27;t stomach his writing style long enough to finish A Farewell to Arms when I was supposed to read it in high school.<p>If his work wasn&#x27;t in a book that was professionally printed and bound, I&#x27;d have mistaken it for the scribblings of some amateur hack -- maybe one of the students who didn&#x27;t make it into AP English, because the writing quality was kinda mediocre-to-poor.<p>Dickens, OTOH, is a master of language -- creating long and complex sentences, filled of description and analogy, which have a rich diversity of adjectives and adverbs, creating a descriptive, witty prose.<p>I&#x27;ve never understood why people like Hemingway.
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JacobAldridge超过 11 年前
I am reminded of a cafe I walked past in Spain, possibly Toledo. Above the front door a sign declared &quot;Ernest Hemingway never ate here&quot;.
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midgetjones超过 11 年前
Hemingway&#x27;s most important rule is difficult to parse for a web app:<p>&quot;I write one page of masterpiece to ninety one pages of shit. I try to put the shit in the wastebasket.&quot;<p><a href="http://www.lettersofnote.com/2012/04/forget-your-personal-tragedy.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.lettersofnote.com&#x2F;2012&#x2F;04&#x2F;forget-your-personal-tr...</a>
kelvin0超过 11 年前
I&#x27;m glad to this important headline is still on HN after all these days!