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Dropbox’s hiring practices explain its disappointing lack of female employees

19 点作者 raganwald大约 11 年前

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malandrew大约 11 年前
<p><pre><code> &quot;Subtle cues in the physical environment of companies such as Star Trek posters and video games lead to women being less interested in being a part of an organization when compared to a neutral office environment.&quot; </code></pre> It also self selects for women who dig video games and Star Trek. Liking those things are geek things, not guy things and contrary to popular belief, women that like those things do exist. Furthermore, I&#x27;m certain that if you ask any male geek about the gender disparity in geek culture, I&#x27;m certain that near 100% of them lament about the lack of female geeks.<p>Women who show up in such an environment that don&#x27;t relate with the culture aren&#x27;t not relating because of their gender but because of their interests.<p>At some point in the founding of those companies the people there decided that they want their work environment to be as pleasant and fun as their home environment, after all you are spending 40-60 hours of your week there. That&#x27;s a lot of your life. If that culture isn&#x27;t your idea of fun, then you chose the wrong company to work for and should go work somewhere that does share your attitudes and beliefs or some soulless place that doesn&#x27;t encourage employees to express themselves at work for fear of alienating anyone.<p>Dropbox is a desirable place to work at because of and not despite this culture. It&#x27;s also desirable because there are a lot of smart people that are going to be successful in their careers. It&#x27;s natural that many people, that despite their personal disinterest in the former (culture), might want to work at Dropbox because of the latter reason (success). Unfortunately, you don&#x27;t get to pick and choose what parts of a company to accept. It was doing its thing before you arrive and no one has a right to establish their career at Dropbox without accepting most of the culture. Once there, you&#x27;re welcome to try to change it, but doing so comes at the risk of being ejected from that culture because those working their may not like the changes you introduce.<p>Seriously, what give employee number 150 the right to reject and neutralize parts of the company culture that attracted the first 149 employees to work there in the first place? Don&#x27;t like that? Boo-fucking-hoo. Start your own company or show up at a company early enough to influence the culture to be more to your liking.<p>I&#x27;m going to guess that those employees that left, complaining about the culture were not among the first 20 employees. If you&#x27;re not among the first 10-40 employees at a large successful venture, you have no right to complain about culture because culture is always set by those that came before you. Don&#x27;t like it? Then show up earlier.
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raganwald大约 11 年前
Of course, <i>correlation does not equal causation</i>. If there is something about their &quot;culture&quot; that is off-putting to women, you can&#x27;t &quot;fix&quot; it by changing the hiring practices. You fix the culture and the hiring practices follow suit organically.<p>I suspect that the title is wrong, and that the thesis of the article is that there is something strongly biased about Dropbox&#x27;s culture and the experiences recounted about interviewing there are one symptom of many.<p>I&#x27;m speaking to what I read in the article, of course. I&#x27;m not a woman and I don&#x27;t work at Dropbox.
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ams6110大约 11 年前
<i>the male dominated frat-boy culture that Silicon Valley is increasingly being criticized for</i><p>I don&#x27;t know if frat boys are different now than when I was in school but all I know is you never saw them in the Computer Science building.
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Morendil大约 11 年前
Holy crap. An article with the words &quot;cites research&quot;, with a hyperlink which <i>actually goes to a PDF of the actual research being cited</i>!<p>Would love to see HN rise to the occasion by discussing actual facts and data, rather than spouting opinion and speculation. (A popular pastime, to be sure, but it&#x27;s always nice to do something different for a change.)
duvander大约 11 年前
To really make this point, the author should have explained why these questions are biased toward men. It&#x27;s not immediately obvious.
espertus大约 11 年前
I agree with the author that asking questions about superheroes is going to weed out qualified people (unless the project involves superheroes). When I interview someone, I do my best not to ask questions irrelevant to the job. I don&#x27;t know why someone would ask a question biased against people from different cultures, etc.<p>As for whether Dropbox should change its culture to be more attractive to women, that&#x27;s their choice. They should be aware that their decor might turn off some otherwise qualified people, whether or not they choose to act on that information.<p>I&#x27;ve worked for and interviewed for Google for about ten years, and our training includes not asking irrelevant and&#x2F;or culturally biased questions.
omonra大约 11 年前
It appears that using the example of a super successful SV company that doesn&#x27;t seem to give a toss about diversity hurts the author&#x27;s premise - that it actually makes an iota of difference.<p>He might want to start with actually making that case.
johnbm大约 11 年前
&quot;Her advice to Dropbox? “Founders are looking for ‘objective’ measures such as school ranking, GPAs, SAT scores, but fail to recognize that these are biased. Dropbox and other start-ups should pioneer new ways to identify people who can succeed on the core set of job responsibilities.&quot;<p>Yes, they&#x27;re biased towards girls, who excel in school over boys from a young age.<p>&quot;Indeed, the trend is getting worse. In 1985, 37 percent of computer science undergraduate degree recipients were women. By 2011 this proportion had dropped to 18 percent.&quot;<p>In 1985, the gender ratio in colleges was 1:1. Today, it is 3:2 in favor of women. So that means that not only did the percentage get chopped in half, but it did so completely against the larger trend.<p>The actual explanation can be found in the Norwegian Gender Paradox: the more men and women are free to choose their occupation, the more they choose stereotypical gender occupations. When men and women actually choose what they want to do, they don&#x27;t choose equally.<p>To the great chagrin of feminists.