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Vienna again named world's most liveable city

104 点作者 bookwormAT超过 11 年前

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bane超过 11 年前
The more I travel, the more convinced I am that the American experiment with car oriented cities was a disaster that will take untold billions of dollars to rectify. It&#x27;s affected everything from public safety (e.g. police can no longer walk a patrol), to loss of community (people don&#x27;t really shop in the same place they live), lost productivity (stuck in traffic), and on and on and on.<p>I&#x27;m very encouraged by recent, walkable focused, mixed-use development around mass transit stops in the DC area. If they&#x27;re successful, they could quickly pay back the tax dollars spent getting the transit built, and lead to a model for development in the U.S. In other words, they&#x27;re building more classic European style city centers, but as all new construction, and even better, informed by the mistakes and success of the last few decades.<p>I&#x27;m not sure it would ever get rid of the suburb (there&#x27;s too many reasons to not want to raise your children in the city), but there&#x27;s innovation there too. Many newer suburbs are being built with walkability in mind, usually with a small commercial core with groceries, a coffee shop, laundry and a few restaurants, many have mass transit shuttle stops and commuter lots nearby and with telecommuting becoming more common, there&#x27;s less of a need to make the daily drive. I live in a suburb like this and have at least a dozen restaurants (from fast food to high end), two coffee shops, laundry, a gym, a Tae Kwon Do school, a bike shop, 2 ice cream parlors, a grocery, a movie theater a couple salons, a music shop, a medical practice, dentist, chiropractor, orthodontist, optometrist, liquor store, a bank and more within a short, comfortable 5-10 minute walk from my house. I&#x27;m also surrounded by green space and parks, schools and swimming pools are walkable and we&#x27;re planning on building out space for a public library and other amenities soon. I telecommute most days and if I have to go to work I take the bus into the city. Other than my weekly client site visits I pretty much don&#x27;t drive my car. In my region, this development model accounts for easily 40-50% of the new developments.<p>European cities aren&#x27;t without problems (awkward living accommodations in old buildings, lack of handicapped or elderly accessibility, etc.), but remind us that before the auto lobby took over and screwed up urban design, cities could be built to high density, very livable, very human scale and that doing so makes wonderful places to live and work.
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gutnor超过 11 年前
It is weird how traditional journalism has not caught up with internet mentality.<p>What about linking to the study (<a href="http://www.mercer.es/articles/quality-of-living-survey-report-2011" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.mercer.es&#x2F;articles&#x2F;quality-of-living-survey-repor...</a>), hell, even their official press release contains more information than Reuters &quot;article&quot;.<p>Also what about giving us the complete list. I suppose the 499$ you need to pay to get the report give you more meat than simply the list, so why not give it for free ?<p>Past years result can be found on good old wikipedia: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercer_Quality_of_Living_Survey" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Mercer_Quality_of_Living_Survey</a>
freehunter超过 11 年前
On these &quot;most livable&quot; city indexes, I wish they would take into account how much it costs to live there compared to wages. San Fransisco is high on their list, but from what I&#x27;m hearing, it&#x27;s really not the panacea that these lists often make it out to be. High wages, but higher cost of living and horrible living conditions compared to the Midwest, for example. I have a friend who just bought a two-story, four bedroom house with two acres of land in a nice area of Beer City, USA (Grand Rapids, Michigan) for $90,000, and has a 10 mile, 10 minute commute to a downtown office where he&#x27;s making $70,000&#x2F;yr. He can drive his own car and find a place to park in a nicely cultural city of ~200,000.<p>I don&#x27;t live in Grand Rapids, but if I were moving somewhere I&#x27;d be looking for a city like that. That is what I would consider highly livable. Can you find a two-story house with an acre or more of land in SF for not much more than your yearly salary? I want a list of cities where salary and cost of living are taken into account along with culture and safety.
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4ad超过 11 年前
I live in Vienna and I see these surveys all the time. I moved in Vienna 2.5 years ago. Vienna is a good place to live (otherwise I would have left) provided you don&#x27;t care about things that are simply not available, for example no real IT sector, no startup scene etc. It&#x27;s okay, but it&#x27;s nothing spectacular. I don&#x27;t understand what these people find so fascinating about the city. My friends share my opinion too.<p>I guess the people doing the surveys simply care about completely different things in life compared to myself. I read their impressions, and I either don&#x27;t care about those things at all, or I find them completely wrong. The reviewer simply has different expectations than myself. For example, a couple of week ago I&#x27;ve seen another article like this. Among other things, the author liked the huge variety of beers and cheese found in Vienna. I don&#x27;t know exactly why this matters for such a survey but whatever. Anyway, I happen to be somewhat of a beer and cheese aficionado and in my opinion Austrian beer is terrible, bland, and all the same. Go to Belgium to find good beer. There are not too many types of beer. And don&#x27;t get me started on the cheese.<p>Of course these things are subjective things, but because they are subjective things they have no place in such an article.<p>Other issues are more subtle, for example, nice people. Every article claims Vienna has nice people but doesn&#x27;t divulge either the nationality and cultural background of the reviewer, nor the way said reviewer interacted with viennese people. For example I don&#x27;t find anything nice about viennese people because I grew in a country where attributes associated with nice people are different than Austrian attributes about nice people. These people may be nice, I&#x27;m sure they are, but I don&#x27;t see it. Similarly, I&#x27;m sure they see <i>me</i> as a misanthropic, asocial, arrogant individual.<p>It&#x27;s the same like with restaurants, an american will complain that european restaurant service is precarious, I will complain that the western-european restaurant service is annoying and offensive. The cultural background is different, expectations in social settings are different. Articles like this skip over all this stuff.<p>Anyway, there are some really nice things in Vienna but no article I&#x27;ve seen mentioned them. They are subjective things, but most of what these article say is subjective.
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kfk超过 11 年前
So, I passed by Vienna kayaking down the Danube. We liked the “Neu Donau”, basically an unused arm of the Danube with super ultra clean water. People go there swimming, surfing or just for a walk, it’s super cool. We didn’t really like the city center, way to posh for us. But then again, we were coming to Vienna on a kayak from the woods, that might have skewed our vision of the city.<p>But overall, if you can, go visit Austria, it’s a small gem. They have this tradition of doing naked sun baths everywhere, but you do get used to that after a while.<p>By the way, I lived in Munich. It’s an amazing city. Lakes, mountains, rivers, you name it. And German people are super nice, people stereotype them way too much. I am looking forward to go back to Germany soon. I am really not a big fan of Dutch&#x2F;Nordic speaking countries.
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dubfan超过 11 年前
These Mercer livability rankings are based on quality of life for expatriates working for multinational corporations. Every year these rankings make the headline rounds but articles fail to mention that detail or explain why that&#x27;s important. In particular these rankings don&#x27;t account for cost of living in the way you would expect if it were a real &quot;quality of living&quot; survey. This becomes a ranking of &quot;how well you can live in a city on an unlimited budget&quot;.
fit2rule超过 11 年前
I live in Vienna. I don&#x27;t understand how this is the most liveable city in the world - unless by liveable, it means &quot;concrete jungle monstrosity - with good public transportation&quot;.<p>I honestly think this is one of the most oppressive cities in the world, and I just don&#x27;t get how it managed to gain this acclaim, every single year. I guess things must be <i>really</i> bad in a majority of the western world.<p>The thing is, the city is really not beautiful. A majority of the population live in apartment buildings that were constructed in the 1870&#x27;s, where the primary requirement was &quot;pack as many people into the city block as possible but don&#x27;t go over 6 stories&quot;. This means that for a majority of citizens, the sky is but a thin, dull strip.<p>Perhaps its the public transportation, the access to food (Billa&#x27;s are everywhere) and .. the welfare state. In fact, I&#x27;m convinced its only because of the state of welfare that people think Vienna is so great. Remove the AMS from the equation, and Vienna is a barely suitable concrete jungle.
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fractallyte超过 11 年前
I&#x27;ve been living here for the last six weeks. Coincidentally, yesterday was the initial induction session for candidate startups shortlisted for &#x27;Go Silicon Valley&#x27;, organized by the Austrian Economic Chambers (WKO). For such a small city, there certainly seemed to be a respectable number of startup teams...<p>Today was sunny and warm(ish), so I left my apartment and computer, travelled 30 minutes across town to Heiligenstadt,and shortly after was lying on a hillside overlooking the city. Quiet and refreshing.<p>Coming back into town by tram, then walking, the bustle of the streets around St Stephen&#x27;s cathedral was quite a contrast. Now I&#x27;m back here in front of the machine, picking away at a cake, amused at this timely article. Vienna certainly is beautiful in parts, grungy in others. But so far, all the people I&#x27;ve met have been friendly and accommodating. Transport is excellent. The cakes are amazing.<p>Definitely liveable!
Evgeny超过 11 年前
Don&#x27;t forget that there are multiple &quot;most liveable cities&quot;, according to different reports.<p>Melbourne ranked world&#x27;s most liveable city - again<p><a href="http://www.smh.com.au/travel/travel-news/melbourne-ranked-worlds-most-liveable-city--again-20130828-2sprk.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.smh.com.au&#x2F;travel&#x2F;travel-news&#x2F;melbourne-ranked-wo...</a>
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gst超过 11 年前
&quot;Most liveable&quot; always depends on what factors are important to you. If you average out everything I guess Vienna looks quite nice: Low income disparity, good social security system, low crime rate, etc.<p>But if you&#x27;re a HN reader it might not be the optimal place to live for you: A population that&#x27;s in general quite hostile to entrepreneurship, insane amounts of bureaucracy, laws that make it unnecessarily hard to run your own company, etc. Apart from that the weather is terrible, large parts of the population are hostile to immigration and are quite racist, people are grumpy all the time, ...
julianpye超过 11 年前
It is interesting that besides Auckland, the top three cities basically share the same culture - Munich shares more with Vienna and Zurich, than with Berlin or Hamburg. That culture is deeply rooted Catholic, bourgeois, orderly with little crime and corruption.
matlock超过 11 年前
Ever plan on visiting Vienna? Why not live there and build tools for other developers. We are hiring at Codeship (<a href="https://www.codeship.io" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.codeship.io</a>) for our Vienna office.<p>And if you ever come visit the city let me know at flo@codeship.io. Happy to show the HN crowd around town.
sirwitti超过 11 年前
Funnily enough the viennese people are considered grumpy and often rude compared to the rest of austria :)<p>but still, the city is awesome!<p>martin, living in vienna
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adrianh超过 11 年前
I&#x27;ve actually been thinking of moving to Vienna. Anybody in Vienna have a moment to type out some thoughts on what it&#x27;s like to live there?
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lazyjones超过 11 年前
Vienna is good overall, but it&#x27;s passive smoking hell. 99% of all clubs ignore non-smoking laws according to a recent study and you often find particle concentrations higher than on a busy road inside various cafes&#x2F;clubs and washing all your clothes after a night in a busy place is a must. For some people this will be a sign of relaxed, &quot;laissez-faire&quot; style life, for others like me this is unbearable and I hate it.<p>The Mercer study Reuters mentions is, by the way, apparently only based on a few publicly available key statistical indicators and not on actual surveys.
DrJokepu超过 11 年前
I will take this seriously when Mercer and Reuters will move their corporate headquarters from the 6th Avenue in Manhattan and Canary Wharf in London respectively to Vienna.
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finishingmove超过 11 年前
I had to look up the whole list, and found it on wikipedia <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_quality_of_living#cite_note-2" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;List_of_cities_by_quality_of_li...</a> (link to PDF at the bottom). It&#x27;s for 2012.<p>Judge for yourself.
udit99超过 11 年前
Can anyone comment on the startup&#x2F;tech scene in Vienna? I need to move there for some immigration reasons and am trying to figure out what kind of jobs I can look forward to. Also, how easy can it be to get by at the workplace with english + broken German ?
arbuge超过 11 年前
Perhaps the most liveable city if you speak German...
dpeck超过 11 年前
They certainly like their dogs and gelato more any other city I&#x27;ve been to.
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