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An Open Letter To Recruiters

27 点作者 paddyforan大约 11 年前

20 条评论

hodgesmr大约 11 年前
I&#x27;m always perplexed at how annoyed the dev community gets at recruiters. Sure, it&#x27;s weird when they don&#x27;t put forth an effort, but come on, you&#x27;re getting unsolicited job offers multiple times a week! We&#x27;re EXTREMELY lucky that our industry is flourishing right now. So many people have been unemployed for months (years) and they can&#x27;t so much as get a phone-call.<p>Take the recruitment as flattery. If you&#x27;re not interested, delete it and move on. Better yet, forward it to someone who might be interested.
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untog大约 11 年前
<i>Look, if my LinkedIn profile shows I just started a job three months ago, I am almost certainly not looking to move jobs right now.</i><p>I noticed that last time I changed jobs I got a flood of e-mails just after I changed my LinkedIn profiles. It was deliberate, too - they&#x27;d start &quot;I noticed you just started at X - if it isn&#x27;t what you had hoped...&quot;, which is actually relatively smart in recruiter terms.<p>My pet peeve: calling me on my work phone number. I don&#x27;t even know what my work phone number is, but presumably recruiters call the front desk and asked to be put through to me. It&#x27;s shockingly unprofessional - as if I&#x27;m going to discuss an opportunity while I sit near my co-workers and boss.
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tptacek大约 11 年前
I mean this is nice and all, but it&#x27;s a little like writing an open letter to a real estate agent. It&#x27;s a transactional business. Your problem isn&#x27;t with recruiters, it&#x27;s with the recruiting model.
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snorkel大约 11 年前
Please spare us with the royal attitude. Congratulations, you know how computers work, and so do thousands of other people who work harder and cheaper than you. Recruiters don&#x27;t care if you, candidate number 947392, is annoyed or not. They simply want to know if you&#x27;re going to the damn interview or not. If not then goodbye, next. If you go to the interview, and you didn&#x27;t embarrass the recruiter for suggesting you, then good job, thank you candidate number 947whatever, you did your job. If you actually get an offer letter, oh boy, you did a very good job! Recruiter gets 10k after you worked that job for 3 months. Wash, rinse, repeat. You are not special.
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codegeek大约 11 年前
I hear from recruiters all the time. I sometimes even get on the phone with them just to get an idea of what they are pitching regardless of my status. I don&#x27;t mind them contacting me via linkedin etc in general.<p>The important realization is that it is not the recruiters necessarily but the recruiting ecosystem which is broken. Hiring is broken but not for recruiters. They love the current model of placing someone for a fee. Basically, the bad recruiters exist only because their <i>clients</i> don&#x27;t give a shit about hiring (well most of them and hence the need for these recruiters). I will say this carefully but again &quot;majority of clients do not give a shit&quot;. This translates to &quot;Hey we are too busy with real work and so go find me a fish&quot;. Out comes these recruiters and search agents. Thanks to places like linkedin lately, all they have to do is to create an account and start fishing.<p>What if employers&#x2F;clients actually invest their <i>own</i> time in recruiting ? What if they ask their team members to recruit actively and even compensate them in some way (may be a boost in performance review ?). But no, we won&#x27;t do that. We have lot more important shit to worry about.<p>Recruiting unfortunately is a numbers game (kinda like sales)and recruiters (read: sales people) have no incentive to stop doing what they are doing. The barrier to entry is way too low as well which doesn&#x27;t help.<p>There are very good recruiters out there and I do know a few good ones too. Kinda like a needle in a haystack but even they have to compete with the sleazy ones.
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nimblegorilla大约 11 年前
Maybe it&#x27;s just me, but expecting recruiters to research your sexual orientation seems a bit over the top. Why don&#x27;t you just work with local recruiters.
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mathattack大约 11 年前
From the bio <i>I’m friendly. I don’t bite. Feel free to say hi.</i><p>That certainly doesn&#x27;t match the Open Letter.<p>Recruiters are there doing a job, and it&#x27;s not an easy one. I have a lot of sympathy for them. Treat them nice, because at some point in your future, you&#x27;ll be looking for a job too. The ones that you treated well (&quot;This job isn&#x27;t for me, but try calling X who is looking&quot;) will remember it.
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InstajobMick大约 11 年前
I think in all the time I have been contracting (and full time employed too for that matter) I can only remember one recruiter that was any good: He was knowledgeable about my field (I was an AD&#x2F;Exchange consultant at the time) and I didn&#x27;t feel that he was trying to make a pay cheque off me... but I can only remember one.<p>All the rest are just salesmen: I get emails from them these days and the first line is now &quot;If this isn&#x27;t your kind of job (paraphrasing here) then please pass it on to someone who you think would want it!&quot; - Great pitch guys!<p>I don&#x27;t like them and I don&#x27;t actually know a single person in the tech game that has had decent dealings with them.<p>So for the last couple of months, at night, weekends, on the train etc. I have been working on Instajob (<a href="https://instajob.biz" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;instajob.biz</a>) to basically skip round the recruitment agents.<p>Only just went online so it&#x27;s early days but I think they need a shakeup!<p>Anyway, my $0.02<p>Mick
jrjarrett大约 11 年前
So the only &quot;recruiters&quot; I ever get contacting me are for body-shop type firms (TekSystems, Robert Half). I&#x27;ve talked to them and I tell them that I&#x27;m comfortable where I am, but if you can find me something better, I&#x27;m willing to listen.<p>And I explain where I am being compensated now, and explain &quot;better&quot; would have to beat those things.<p>They say &quot;oh, yes, we can!&quot; and then of course, the only thing that may be even slightly better is the rate, but all other benefits are essentially zero (vacation time, sick time, health insurance).<p>I would LOVE to be contacted by a real recruiter.
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lugg大约 11 年前
The bad ones will never tell you outright, too worried you&#x27;ll cut them out or tell your other recruiters. I have a couple of good ones I pretty much deal with exclusively. If I get a spam op from another recruiter I&#x27;ll tell my real recruiter to go pitch me to company x (if I&#x27;m actually interested).<p>Sure its pretty ruthless but its not really my problem these guys look out for me and only bother me with calls about companies they know I&#x27;d fit with. They also leave me alone for years on end until I initiate the &quot;I&#x27;m looking again&quot; &quot;protocol&quot;
storyhound大约 11 年前
Full disclosure: I&#x27;m not a recruiter or a coder. I&#x27;m a publicist. Instead of pitching Very Important Programmers all day, I pitch Very Important Editors. But, unsurprisingly, the things that make a great story pitch are the same things that make a great recruiting pitch. You&#x27;re completely right - research, knowing your audience and his&#x2F;her skills, history, and interests, are more important than anything else. Candidness and full disclosure are key, as is professionalism. And receiving dozens of emails a day from people who pitch without abiding by those processes is probably a huge pain in the ass.<p>However.<p>I think it&#x27;s also important to realize, from a recruiter&#x27;s perspective, that not everyone feels the same way you do. How would a recruiter know, before you posted this extremely condescending letter, that you&#x27;re too important to speak to anyone but your mother on the phone? Some people prefer the phone to email (I certainly think it can be more efficient, especially when dealing with Q&amp;A). How would a recruiter know that you actually WANT to not be considered for amazing jobs in certain areas because of your sexuality? (In my thinking, that&#x27;s a type of discrimination that should be discouraged.) How is a recruiter to know that what would be too much detail in a job description for another potential hire is not enough detail for you? Or vice-verse?<p>Everyone is busy. Recruiters are busy, programmers are busy, stay at home moms are busy, CEOs are busy. As soon as you think you&#x27;re too important and busy to show other people respect, there&#x27;s a problem.<p>I certainly think you&#x27;re right about many things. Publicists who send blanket mass pitches that begin &quot;Dear editor,&quot; give the rest of us a bad rap and make our jobs that much harder. But closing your letter with &quot;Most engineers hate recruiter pitches not because we hate being pitched, it’s because we hate dealing with recruiters&quot; tells me even if a recruiter follows all of your guidelines and sends you amazing pitches, you&#x27;ll still think of him&#x2F;her as a less important person than you, and treat her&#x2F;him accordingly - simply because of the career they&#x27;ve happened to choose. As a person who&#x27;s been on the receiving end of emails like yours before (along the lines of &quot;I don&#x27;t deal with publicists&quot;) I can tell you you&#x27;re not going to gain a lot of respect by making sure everyone knows how Very Important you are. If I were a top recruiter and happened to read this, you can bet I wouldn&#x27;t bother approaching you in the future - I&#x27;d look for someone who communicates like he remembers what it&#x27;s like to not be on top.
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logn大约 11 年前
I don&#x27;t like recruiters either but I think writing an open letter is going too far. I don&#x27;t choose to make it my problem that recruiters suck. When I go to a sports game and get pestered by ticket scalpers, I don&#x27;t lecture the scalpers on how the could be using more effective methods to sell their tickets and get all angry about how I&#x27;m tired of being offered tickets.
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timjahn大约 11 年前
Seems like it&#x27;s every week or so now that a developer writes a letter like this to recruiters. Trust me, I completely agree - recruiters suck.<p>But I&#x27;m wondering if the recruiters you&#x27;re actually trying to reach are simply never going to listen and never stop their ways. That&#x27;s just not who they are.<p>Somebody needs to fix the recruiting industry, for realz.
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joesmo大约 11 年前
&quot;Talking to you on the phone is, 100% of the time, an absolutely useless exercise for me.&quot;<p>Couldn&#x27;t agree more. I don&#x27;t understand the desire of recruiters to talk in person. This must be something that they are required to do for a number of hours per day, I assume. I appreciate recruiters who can appreciate my time and not waste it.
grey-area大约 11 年前
A better solution to cut the flow of low-quality recruiter spam - delete your linkedin profile. If you have your own website, that&#x27;s going to be a far better conduit for attracting interesting job offers and professional contact.
gopher1大约 11 年前
If they tell you the company, what&#x27;s stopping you from turning them down and going directly to the company? I&#x27;m pretty sure that&#x27;s the main reason they don&#x27;t tell you the company.
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rondon2大约 11 年前
The recruiters I hear from on linked-in use a shotgun method where they send out 100 e-mails and hope to get a few people to write back. Paddy, do you get personalized e-mails from recruiters?
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nsmnsf大约 11 年前
&gt; B) not respond at all, depending on how good the rest of your pitch was.<p>Why are you doing anything but this, in any situation? Delete&#x2F;mark as spam, move on.
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DyslexicAtheist大约 11 年前
ahh, recruiting and tech - these 2 worlds will never meet. I worked in both. Here is some insider tricks I learned: <a href="http://valbonneconsulting.wordpress.com/2014/01/13/breakingnews-hapless-recruiter-searching-for-lamp-developer-hires-electrician/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;valbonneconsulting.wordpress.com&#x2F;2014&#x2F;01&#x2F;13&#x2F;breakingn...</a>
mightybrenden大约 11 年前
you won&#x27;t have to deal with recruiters if you use Mighty Spring (www.mightyspring.com)