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Brain zap rouses people from years of vegetative state

53 点作者 tjaerv大约 11 年前

12 条评论

pessimizer大约 11 年前
That &#x27;facilitated communication&#x27; isn&#x27;t mentioned in this article is worrying. <i>How</i> were the vegetative people communicating, how was it observed and recorded, and how conscious were the experimenters of (possibly subconscious) mistakes in the past related to the interpretation of slight movements from the disabled or vegetative as communication?<p>edit:<p><a href="http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/man-in-coma-23-years-is-he-really-conscious/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;theness.com&#x2F;neurologicablog&#x2F;index.php&#x2F;man-in-coma-23-...</a><p><a href="http://www.skepdic.com/cleverlinda.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.skepdic.com&#x2F;cleverlinda.html</a>
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rcthompson大约 11 年前
Bizarre. What if we can fully rouse patients with this treatment, but only temporarily? Imagine being dependent on a daily morning tCDS treatment to wake up every day. Maybe this will be incorporated into an implantable device, like a pacemaker for the brain (not in the sense of providing periodic pulses, but rather in the sense of being required for normal functionality).
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timdiggerm大约 11 年前
This is a great argument against &quot;pulling the plug&quot; on folks in vegetative states.
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tjaerv大约 11 年前
Fascinating research suggesting how consciousness as an emergent phenomenon needs to cross an activation threshold to boot up.
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muraiki大约 11 年前
I found it interesting that the article mentions amantadine. I suffered a mild traumatic brain injury with post-concussion syndrome whose effects were persisting for quite a long time. While vestibular therapy made a big difference, once that treatment plateaued I started taking amantadine -- it had been suggested by my doctor before, but I&#x27;m a stubborn person. The difference that amantadine made in terms of my concussion was significant.<p>My migraines almost completely vanished, but more importantly I had the cognitive energy to do things that had been impossible for many months, such as programming and playing my musical instruments. I had to take it slow at first, but the difference amantadine made was truly remarkable.<p>It&#x27;s not fully understood how this drug works, especially considering that it was originally used as an anti-flu medicine. Furthermore, my understanding is that it was no longer used in treating Parkinsons. But it&#x27;s one of the few drugs that seems to have an effect in people suffering from post-concussion syndrome. A cousin of mine who also suffered from pretty serious post-concussion syndrome likewise had good results with amantadine.<p>It should be noted that the use of amantadine is controversial in concussion treatment. From what I&#x27;ve heard, some patients don&#x27;t get much benefit, and the effects tend to wear off over time. Also, it caused me to have problems with insomnia, which were mostly addressed through sleep hygiene and melatonin. But I thought that I&#x27;d share my experience here, as this experience helped me to understand just how physical our mind is, and how there are likely a variety of avenues for helping the brain when it is damaged.
md224大约 11 年前
Those of you fascinated by electrical manipulation of consciousness may find this interesting:<p><a href="http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/neuroskeptic/2014/02/23/disconnecting-consciousness-external-environment/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;blogs.discovermagazine.com&#x2F;neuroskeptic&#x2F;2014&#x2F;02&#x2F;23&#x2F;di...</a><p>&gt; Guillaume Herbet and colleagues describe the case of a 45 year old man in whom electrical stimulation of a particular spot in the brain “induced a dramatic alteration of conscious experience in a highly reproducible manner.”<p>Basically, when they zapped a certain point in his brain, it sent him into some kind of dream state. Very interesting.
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grannyg00se大约 11 年前
Interesting. I wonder what people typically describe after suddenly becoming communicative after months or years of vegetative state.
caycep大约 11 年前
The problem is the outcome measures for these sort of things are always kind of murky. &quot;Signs of Responsiveness Not Previously Seen Before Intervention&quot; might mean more eye twitching than average, etc. These aren&#x27;t people who suddenly wake up and start talking after tDCS
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gagege大约 11 年前
At first I thought some guy named Brian Zap was doing this.
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whoopiecush大约 11 年前
I hate to be a skeptic, but a sample size of 15 people is far from conclusive. And just when I thought electric shock therapy was almost dead...
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mybbor大约 11 年前
I can&#x27;t help but wonder if this is a devastating headline for anyone who has had to take a loved one off of life support.
LukeShu大约 11 年前
mybbor: You appear to be shadow banned. All of your comments since December 2010 are &quot;[dead]&quot;.<p><a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7320083" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=7320083</a>