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What’s Not Being Said About Bitcoin

49 点作者 ibsathish大约 11 年前

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lingben大约 11 年前
The number #1 requirement for a currency is trust and confidence in it. Why would anyone trust a currency which has no consumer protection whatsoever and provides zero recourse for when things inevitably go wrong?<p>What I mean is, everyone is hating on Mt. Gox but conceivably what happened to them can happen to any of the exchanges out there now. There is no mechanism to prevent it and there is no recourse for users when it does.<p>This is why bitcoin is interesting as a protocol but a non-starter when it comes to being a true currency. A currency requires backing by a central authority. No amount of code can make up for that.<p>EDIT: I would also like to add one simple thing. Here we are discussing a topic that falls into the field of economics. How many here are economists?<p>ok. How many here have taken at least a few courses in economics?<p>ok. How many here have taken 1 course in economics?<p>If a slew of people with zero knowledge of programming, computers, technology, etc. decided one day to start pontificating incessantly about code, programming languages, etc. hn would first sneer at them and then rightly ignore them.<p>But if people with zero knowledge of economics or finance write a torrent of vapid and completely ignorant articles about currency, bitcoin, macro-economics and their intersection hn seems to vote it up.<p>I&#x27;m really tired of this. I do get that the bitcoin protocol has some interesting aspects. But can we please ignore the total waste of space, time and pixels that is every single article about the bitcoin currency?
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pistle大约 11 年前
I gave it the moment that it deserves, but I don&#x27;t know if it&#x27;s possible to over-discount what the CEO of a company with so incredibly much invested in said virtual-crypto-currency has to say.<p>He&#x27;s looking for reach to console everyone sitting tenuously on their virtual piles. &quot;Oh, we&#x27;re all better off for the massive amounts of consumer loss. Keep calm, carry on.&quot;<p>Or, to put it another way, &quot;Yeah, all those suckers with money at the largest exchange were stupid to be putting confidence in a stupidly run exchange. So glad everyone can feel better since a bad apple fell off. There are only good apples left now - trust me.&quot;
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forgottenpass大约 11 年前
He&#x27;s got a point. Once the jokesters like Mt Gox and Coinbase die off and some reliable companies set up shop, Bitcoin will be stronger for it.
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aristidb大约 11 年前
So this is a tiny bit of a pet peeve of mine:<p>I do not think changing strictly more informative titles to the version in the article itself is a good idea. Changing &quot;Brian Armstrong: What&#x27;s Not Being Said About Bitcoin&quot; to &quot;What&#x27;s Not Being Said About Bitcoin&quot; helps nobody. &quot;Brian Armstrong&quot; is not editorializing. It&#x27;s a fact.<p>Proposal: Instead, put the non-canonical part in brackets at the end, like so:<p>What&#x27;s Not Being Said Aboit Bitcoin [Brian Armstrong]<p>Editorializing additions would still be banned.
jerf大约 11 年前
As I said on another post that got a bit more buried, what matters is not that there was a crisis; it is a fully correct and accurate observation that conventional currency has crises too, and sometimes they even entirely collapse. What matters for BitCoin is the same thing that matters for conventional currency, which is what comes <i>next</i>.<p>Again, rationality forces me to concede that I did not expect BitCoin to recover this well. Look at the past six months of BitCoin value [1] and this barely shows as a blip. This is, of course, because the currency itself is pretty darned volatile still, but, you know, still not what I would have predicted, and I have to respect that.<p>[1]: <a href="http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/bitstampUSD#rg180ztgMzm1g10zm2g25zv" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;bitcoincharts.com&#x2F;charts&#x2F;bitstampUSD#rg180ztgMzm1g10z...</a>
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higherpurpose大约 11 年前
&gt; When trying to predict the future, you should never look at the state of a technology today, but the trend of how it is growing or maturing over time.<p>That&#x27;s always an important principle to remember, and I always try to bring it up myself even in discussions about overpopulation.<p>These days I&#x27;m actually even more excited about all the &quot;Bitcoin-like&quot; protocols popping out, and new research being done for all sorts of crazy distributed applications, that couldn&#x27;t have been done before Bitcoin.<p>Bitcoin is kind of like the Gopher protocol of the Internet. There&#x27;s so much more stuff and <i>bigger</i> stuff that&#x27;s going to appear over the next few years or decade. It&#x27;s still very early days for these technologies and for the full decentralization of trust.
brudgers大约 11 年前
What Mt. Gox shows is that the integrity of bitcoin as a currency is somewhat dependent on the level of technical sophistication of &#x27;legitimate&#x27; bitcoin players versus the technical sophistication of &#x27;illegitimate&#x27; bitcoin players. If the bitcoin establishment isn&#x27;t the smartest people in the room, then can a person on the street trust them?<p>Anyone can put cash in their mattress and reasonably assess the risks. Likewise the risks associated with a bank are somewhat knowable.<p>But assessing the risks with crypto currency is almost impossible for even a reasonably sophisticated user. Under a rational actor model, bitcoin becomes attractive when the risk of not being able to assess the risk of bitcoins is less than the risk of using another form of transaction - e.g. Silk Road.<p>That&#x27;s not to say that bitcoin = Silk Road. But any bitcoin transaction has a higher probability of involving a party with fewer inhibitions against illegal activity. Will the person who uses bitcoins to avoid taxes on the income from AirBnB rentals rob you? Probably not. But as using bitcoin becomes a more compelling economic option, the activity is likely to be farther away from the bounds of law.<p>Amassing bitcoins makes sense when it is the best economic option and the scenarios in which that will always apply are speculation and legal burdens on other currencies. In neither of those cases is their a reason to trust the other party.
balls187大约 11 年前
&gt; Bitcoin is getting stronger and proving to consumers and businesses it is not going away.<p>That&#x27;s all well and good, but as a consumer, I want some level of protection. With credit cards and my bank account, if some entity (myself included) makes stupid decisions and causes me to lose money due to digital theft, my credit card&#x2F;bank will often take care of the issue.<p>With BitCoin, and the failure of Mt. Gox, consumers have no recourse (at least as far as I can tell).<p>EDIT TO ADD:<p>I&#x27;m not sure what problems BitCoin solves for me, as a consumer. I hate that PayPal can &quot;lock&quot; me out of my account, so I don&#x27;t use it. BankOfAmerica, can, but usually will only do so for extreme circumstances (ie asset seizing and forfeiture).<p>I hate that Banks charge a fee for the privilege of storing my money in it, but there are enough banks&#x2F;credit unions that offer services for free.<p>This article leaves open several issues by likening BitCoin to email. Great that email is a protocol. But what happens when Gmail fails? At this point GMail is too big to fail, and I for one am glad that Google, with it&#x27;s resources and very talented engineers are backing it.<p>&gt; New technologies take time to mature.<p>Granted. BitCoin is very sophisticated, and it&#x27;s clearly valuable. But, this is my hard earned cashtro we&#x27;re talking about, and I don&#x27;t want to put it into &quot;immature&quot; technology. Again, as a consumer, my confidence is a real material thing when dealing with financial institutions.
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CookWithMe大约 11 年前
I don&#x27;t think it&#x27;s a good idea to use email as heavily as OP does for his argument, especially with regards to spam and &quot;weeding out bad actors&quot;.<p>&gt; Like the spam filters developed on top of email, the best Bitcoin services providers will develop the best software to iron out any details the Bitcoin protocol has still left open to abuse.<p>While spam-detection is certainly a lot better than, say, 5 years ago, it&#x27;s not perfect. And while the cost of false-negatives is relatively low, false-positives can have bad consequences.<p>I don&#x27;t think average people want to trust their money with something that is as trustworthy as a spam-filter is today, let alone go through the equivalent of &quot;I had 10 penis-enlargement-scams in my inbox this morning&quot;-technology-maturing-phase for a payment technology.
btown大约 11 年前
I&#x27;ve grown not to take anything TC says seriously... but when they say that nobody&#x27;s been talking about this:<p>&gt; Open networks keep growing even if individual participants fail.<p>... then they must have been burying their head in the ground for the past week. EVERYONE has been talking about that.
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rayiner大约 11 年前
I&#x27;m surprised by the reaction to Mt Gox&#x27;s bankruptcy. There appears to be a lot more people treating it as a real bank then I thought. Which is disconcerting not because people lost money, but because it could lead to premature regulation of Bitcoin before we really understand what the ecosystem can sort out for itself. I&#x27;d love to see Bitcoin as an alternative economy that&#x27;s left alone except to the extent it threatens the dollar denominated economy. If only because I think people can decide for themselves if they want to take the risk of participating. Nobody is holding a gun to your head making you use Bitcoin.
badman_ting大约 11 年前
I actually believe Bitcoin will live on after this, but I just can&#x27;t see myself using it. I have no idea how I would turn money in to bitcoin without getting totally fucked. Where I would put it that it wouldn&#x27;t just get stolen through some crypto trickery I don&#x27;t understand. Who knows if supposed &quot;good guys&quot; are really just playing a long con, or getting robbed themselves. This isn&#x27;t just a flaky beta of an app that needs a couple months to shake out the bugs, people lost huge sums of money here.
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Zigurd大约 11 年前
He makes an interesting analogy to email, which, like Bitcoin, is constantly under attack from scammers, and criminals. And email wasn&#x27;t designed to be hardened.<p>So far, so good.<p>But, and this is a very big &quot;but,&quot; what&#x27;s really going unsaid is that Bitcoin might also be under attack from governments who think it might be a threat to the effectiveness of central banks and to the survival of weaker currencies.<p>That&#x27;s a whole other ball game.
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Phlarp大约 11 年前
I&#x27;m interested to see if the communities around various other exchanges will jump up to demand more accountability from those in charge or if the chaos of the crowd will continue to prove how valuable governmental regulation can actually be to the system as a whole.
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coldcode大约 11 年前
It&#x27;s all well and good until governments step in a regulate&#x2F;destroy it. Which will happen.
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thinkcomp大约 11 年前
What&#x27;s Not Being Said About Coinbase:<p><a href="https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-legal-and-technical-setup-of-Coinbases-exchange/answer/Aaron-Greenspan" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.quora.com&#x2F;What-is-the-legal-and-technical-setup-...</a>