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Why haven’t European investors fully accepted the failure is good mentality yet?

39 点作者 mckee1大约 11 年前

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raverbashing大约 11 年前
&quot;As European talent in the form of startups and entrepreneurs continue to flock towards the USA, the question remains: why? Is it attitude or is it money? Is it bureaucracy or is it poor infrastructure?&quot;<p>This is a loaded assertion. And, sincerely very cliché.<p>Oh Europe is bureaucratic and expensive? And yet there&#x27;s nothing like this: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giro" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Giro</a> in the US. Ridiculous<p>Funny how several of these big US companies open offices in Dublin (offices, not merely a mailbox and a shell company) guess they didn&#x27;t get the memo.<p>Cell phone plans are way cheaper in Europe (no paying to receive calls).<p>Overall quality of life in bigger European cities, mass transit is ubiquitous.<p>So, in overall, I think the US has a lot to learn from Europe. But I understand, while in the US people think &quot;Why not, let&#x27;s do it!&quot; in Europe people think &quot;What can go wrong&quot;
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PakG1大约 11 年前
To desire failure, this probably means you are trying to do something new. Below I am speaking purely on conjecture, no real sound theory.<p>I get the distinct impression that Europe cares more about tradition and therefore less about disruption. As such, there is not as big a desire to try something new, and therefore no reason to consider whether failure is good. In fact, if the emphasis is on tradition, failure is frowned on not because it is bad, but rather, because it is evidence that someone tried to do something new.<p>My thoughts on this come from a chapter of Alan Greenspan&#x27;s memoirs on his experience in Vienna and thoughts on cultural differences, especially when it came to Vienna&#x27;s timelessness and beauty.
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H4U大约 11 年前
As a brit we do not fear failiure, its well known that Up to one fifth of the 400000 businesses that start up each year fail within the first 12 months of operation in the UK.<p>investors dont write blank cheques is the main difference. we are blunt and dont flower up potential so monetry failiure is more relative to business size.
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RivieraKid大约 11 年前
I would hypothesise that there are two reasons for this.<p>1. The size of the US market is a huge advantage. Startups targeting and operating in the US market can grow bigger. China has the same advantage.<p>2. Americans are less risk-averse because Americans are mostly descendants of immigrants. And immigrants are more likely to have a less risk-averse DNA.
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Create大约 11 年前
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_public_debt" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;United_States_public_debt</a><p><a href="http://www.sonyclassics.com/insidejob/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.sonyclassics.com&#x2F;insidejob&#x2F;</a>
ThomPete大约 11 年前
Because failure is much more expensive to European investors and it&#x27;s not as easy to build huge successes in Europe.<p>So if they did they would quickly be out of money.<p>This is why the Samwer Brothers from Rocket Internet is doing things the way they are and can have so many startups they do.<p>Their copy-cat approach is very un-european but in reality the only way for European investors to be less risk-averse.<p>The safty-net comes with a price. Even in Denmark which is rated as on of the easiest ways to start a business the reality is that it might be easy to start a business, but it&#x27;s very hard to scale it.
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m0a0t0大约 11 年前
Seems to be a lot of patriotism in these comments. Today I&#x27;ve learnt that Americans are genetically superior to Europeans because they have genes that make them more likely to take a chance and Americans have &quot;vision&quot; where as Europeans don&#x27;t (yes I&#x27;ve exaggerated these a bit).<p>To be honest, even treating Europe as a collective is silly. When each country has different tax laws, traditions, outlook on life; how can you really, meaningfully compare them?
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cromulent大约 11 年前
There are no cited sources that support the premise of the article, that Europeans fear failure too much.<p>The cherry-picked 2011 was about the peak of the Eurozone crisis and austerity measures, obviously a special time.<p>Compare the EBAN 2011 slide in the article with optimism of the 2012 slide:<p><a href="http://www.eban.org/e5-1-billion-market-shows-european-angels-on-the-rise/#.UxMoGNyJJ7E" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.eban.org&#x2F;e5-1-billion-market-shows-european-angel...</a>
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kristiandupont大约 11 年前
There is something that annoys me about comparing the US to Europe here. I feel that the world is going through a process of learning how to create tech companies and that movement springs out of SF and SV. That is where the most innovation is taking place, in terms of technology and business development. The rest of the world, including the rest of the US, is following along and steadily catching up.<p>Being a member of the HN community for a while now has made me feel much more connected to this than was possible 5 years ago (I&#x27;m in Europe). In the co-working space where I work, everybody talks about lean startups, nodejs, go, etc. and a random discussion is basically indistinguishable from my few experiences in SF offices.<p>Now, when it comes to funding everybody knows that trying to do it locally is ridiculous if you don&#x27;t have a good specific reason to do so, but this applies to major US cities as well, perhaps with NYC slowly catching up. I think this will change as well, as more and more entrepreneurs have succeeded by the SV model and go into investing themselves. It probably won&#x27;t even out completely but I think it will become more uniform.
jnbiche大约 11 年前
Wow, awesome article. As someone who has lived in both the U.S. and Europe, this hits the nail on the head re: the difference in attitudes between U.S. entrepreneurs and most European ones.<p>I actually come away from this article inspired to try another start-up, after a pretty significant failure last year.
Silhouette大约 11 年前
How about because &quot;failure is good&quot; is an absurd proposition? Failure in this case typically means people lost money and jobs. It also means customers probably got stung buying into something new and that could make them more hesitant to buy into something new next time, which is harmful to successful innovation.<p>Learning from failures is good, and might help entrepreneurs to develop a more viable proposition if they try again. But that still doesn&#x27;t make failures good. It just means there is a silver lining for some of the participants, if they have enough left to try again later.<p>Hit-it-out-of-the-park success is good, and from an investing perspective funding a number of failures may be a reasonable cost of doing business if it means you get the occasional smash hit as well. But that still doesn&#x27;t make failures good. It just makes them tolerable.<p>Moreover, the hit-it-out-of-the-park outliers in SV are mostly part of one big pyramid scheme these days. It may be a while before the bubble bursts, because at the top of the chain you&#x27;ve got the outlying outliers like Google and Facebook that really have managed to bring in actual revenues and build up huge war chests, but even then the theoretical valuations for some of these giants are dubious. There literally aren&#x27;t enough people in the world to continue growing their core offering at historical rates in some cases, and attempts at diversification have mostly been failures propped up by those core offerings. Even if these weren&#x27;t the case, the biggest giants in technology rarely manage to remain dominant for more than a decade or two before newer ideas from more nimble competitors start to intrude.<p>Meanwhile, smaller companies being bought for staggering sums of money when they have yet to demonstrate a viable business model for monetizing what they do is just silly in most cases. In the ones where it isn&#x27;t, the acquisition is often for strategic reasons rather than a genuine investment in expected actual value.<p>So the bottom line is that European investors have less time for boom and bust than US ones. SV couldn&#x27;t happen here, <i>and we don&#x27;t want it to</i>. Culturally, while there are start-up incubators and the like around, we tend to be more interested in investing to grow something after its foundations and basic viability are already established. That could be demonstrated either through having a working business model that only needs cash immediately to accelerate growth that could have happened anyway, or through at least having a plan with clear potential to generate real money, for example. While I don&#x27;t have any hard data to back this up, I suspect we also tend to put more emphasis on bootstrapping your own business or going to the bank for a loan rather than taking angel investment, and use more informal support networks such as old university connections here in Cambridge for the non-monetary benefits that angels might provide in somewhere like SV.
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saalweachter大约 11 年前
This article is missing more-than-anecdotal evidence that failure is good.<p>What are the total number of start ups in Europe versus the US? How many succeed, for some various metrics of success? What is the total revenue of companies started in the last X years? What are the returns to investors, both absolute and relative to the size of their investments?<p>Without knowing the outcomes of the different investment strategies, you can&#x27;t pick a winner.
RivieraKid大约 11 年前
Does anyone know if the whole VC industry is profitable? A chart with yearly startup investments and profits would be really interesting.
michaelochurch大约 11 年前
Snarky but true answer: <i>failure is not always good.</i><p>Look, I&#x27;m all for removing the social penalties to good-faith failure. I&#x27;ve failed before (in good faith) and I&#x27;m a good guy. Some problems are harder than they look, and sometimes the solution is brilliant but no one wants it. However, I can&#x27;t share that cavalier attitude toward <i>failure</i> that I often encounter in the HN-sphere. I would love to see society become more tolerant of good-faith failure or just bad luck, on the small scale (R&amp;D efforts within companies) as well as the large (bankruptcy laws, a healthcare system that isn&#x27;t psychotic and mean-spirited like US insurance). However, I&#x27;ve also seen what bad-faith failure looks like: businesses that might start with earnest intention but evolve into long cons. People who call themselves &quot;entrepreneurs&quot; are not all ethical. Some are, some aren&#x27;t.<p>Failure hurts people. Money disappears, jobs are lost, and sometimes peoples&#x27; careers get ruined. I&#x27;ve lost about $500,000 (mostly, opportunity cost and career retardation) to bad startups.<p>Sometimes failure is no one&#x27;s fault and a learning experience. Sometimes, there&#x27;s some serious malfeasance behind it. If you&#x27;ve been around tech as long as I have (and I&#x27;m only 30) you know that there are some really wonderful people, but also some really terrible people, in it.<p>There are some severe issues involved in the question of how to handle business failure: moral hazard, asymmetric risk. Most people attack these hard ethical questions by falling back on instinct and social proof: the way they separate bad-faith and good-faith failure is by asking around, checking references, reading news articles. That&#x27;s how the Valley works: it tolerates failure if you can convince it that you failed in good faith, but the waters are so murky that social proof rules the day. That, predictably, makes the worst kinds of people (social influence peddlers) powerful, and they evolve into extortionists and manipulators. It turns into a feudalistic reputation economy. It&#x27;s not a scalable solution. It&#x27;s actually hypocritical, because a world in which reputation and social access matter that much is <i>exactly</i> the sort of world that becomes risk-averse and sclerotic. (That takes time, but you see it happening in the Valley.)<p>The happy medium is somewhere in between the risk-averse conservatism of Europe and the Midwest, and the pro-failure attitude of California, which arrives either at recklessness or hypocrisy. Maybe Seattle? (I&#x27;m considering moving to the PNW in 2015, so I&#x27;ve given this a lot of thought.)
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