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Yes, The CIA Spied On Congress

284 点作者 interpares大约 11 年前

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wpietri大约 11 年前
The thing I would be wondering in a Congressperson&#x27;s shoes shoes: what <i>other</i> things have I been doing that the CIA has been spying on?<p>Chilling effects indeed.<p>And for those inclined to brush that away as implausible, it might be time for a refresher on J. Edgar Hoover and his secret files on political leaders. [1] 50 years later, our tech is a lot better, so it would be much easier to gain inordinate power through surveillance.<p>[1] <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Edgar_Hoover" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;J._Edgar_Hoover</a>
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shadowfiend大约 11 年前
Oh man, I hate this as much as the next person, but I think the best thing we can say right now is that there is nowhere near enough (public) evidence that this is a believable allegation. What we have is an article from McClatchy whose title ends in a question mark (“Probe: Did the CIA spy on the U.S. Senate?”), which to me is the red flag of red flags that they have no level of certainty whatsoever. Then the article seems to draw dubious lines between this allegation and some questions in hearings. Other articles building on it imply additional tenuous connections between all this stuff and a letter Mark Udall wrote that may be referencing this vaguely, maybe.<p>It&#x27;s a problem that all of this stuff has to remain vague. It gets in the way of our reaching conclusions. But assuming the lack of information is information in and of itself is problematic for me in this case. I think it&#x27;s fair to wait and see what the justice department&#x27;s investigation, if any, reveals. If there&#x27;s no investigation, then we have to make do with the information we have.<p>The fact that the CIA has been shown to be doing all sorts of terrible stuff doesn&#x27;t mean that our obligation to be skeptical about allegations in general needs to be suspended. To me, it&#x27;s likely that this is true, but I won&#x27;t tout it as fact until something clearer than the current foggy tangle of vague statements emerges.<p>As a side note, I think the greater question to arise from this is the fact that during a Congressional investigation, it was through <i>agreement</i> that the CIA wasn&#x27;t supposed to be monitoring Congressional investigators. Why is that sort of thing not clearly ensconced in law?
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intslack大约 11 年前
<a href="http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2014/03/05/220273/senate-staffers-slipped-secret.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.mcclatchydc.com&#x2F;2014&#x2F;03&#x2F;05&#x2F;220273&#x2F;senate-staffers...</a><p>&gt;Congressional aides involved in preparing the Senate Intelligence Committee’s unreleased study of the CIA’s secret interrogation and detention program walked out of the spy agency’s fortress-like headquarters with classified documents that the CIA contended they weren’t authorized to have, McClatchy has learned.<p>&gt;After the CIA confronted the panel in January about the removal of the material last fall, panel staff concluded that the agency had monitored computers they’d been given to use in a high-security research room at the CIA campus in Langley, Va., a McClatchy investigation found.<p>&gt;The documents removed from the agency included a draft of an internal CIA review that at least one lawmaker has publicly said showed that agency leaders misled the Intelligence Committee in disputing some of the committee report’s findings, according to a knowledgeable person who requested anonymity because of the matter’s extraordinary sensitivity.<p>&gt;Some committee members regard the monitoring as a possible violation of the law and contend that their oversight powers give them the right to the documents that were removed. On the other hand, the CIA considers the removal as a massive security breach because the agency doesn’t believe that the committee had a right to those particular materials.<p>[...]<p>&gt;While eating lunch during a visit to New Britain, Conn., with four New England governors, Obama was asked by a reporter if he had any reaction to the allegation that the CIA monitored Intelligence Committee computers.<p>&gt;“I’m going to try to make sure I don’t spill anything on my tie,” he responded.
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line-zero大约 11 年前
Article in The Intercept: <a href="https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/03/05/congress-intelligence-community-whos-overseeing/" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;firstlook.org&#x2F;theintercept&#x2F;2014&#x2F;03&#x2F;05&#x2F;congress-intel...</a>
vamega大约 11 年前
For what it&#x27;s worth here&#x27;s a whitehouse petition.<p><a href="https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/release-senate-intelligence-committees-cia-torture-report/JSPcJY3F" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;petitions.whitehouse.gov&#x2F;petition&#x2F;release-senate-int...</a>
Franklin_B大约 11 年前
It&#x27;s ridiculous to believe that the CIA deserves the benefit of the doubt in this matter. More likely there are worse things we just aren&#x27;t privy to.
sentientmachine大约 11 年前
How far does a government agency have to go in breaking law before the military is deployed to put boots on the ground to reel in the agency back under the rule of law?<p>I&#x27;d like to think that if agencies started hiring their own armies and created their own version of law enforcement zones from other countries, and started killing people who opposed them, that someone would actually do something to stop that... right?
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maccam94大约 11 年前
Petitions to release the report:<p><a href="https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/release-senate-intelligence-committees-cia-torture-report/JSPcJY3F" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;petitions.whitehouse.gov&#x2F;petition&#x2F;release-senate-int...</a><p><a href="https://www.aclu.org/secure/tell-senate-intelligence-committee-release-cia-torture-report" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.aclu.org&#x2F;secure&#x2F;tell-senate-intelligence-committ...</a>
jostmey大约 11 年前
Can&#x27;t congress just pull funding? I suppose the CIA has too much dirt on many of our congressmen for that to ever happen.
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cookiecaper大约 11 年前
This just in: spy organization spies on important national political figures.<p>Did you guys never hear of intelligence agencies before Snowden leaked his docs? This is normal and expected. It&#x27;s the reason intelligence agencies and spies exist. They&#x27;re supposed to spy on the most important people in the world, and make sure that the important people don&#x27;t plan anything the agency&#x27;s employers may consider ... untoward.
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baddox大约 11 年前
Anyone want to make bets over whether anyone will ever be legally punished over this?
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suprgeek大约 11 年前
So the CIA Illegally Spied on the Congress Staffers investigating illegal CIA Torture Methods?<p>------illegality recursion too deep-----------<p>But seriously this is a critical test for Pres. Obama. These agencies shouldn&#x27;t be allowed to pull this kind of Shit without suffering serious consequences.<p>Time for the Executive to step-up, fire a bunch of high-rankers and NOT sweep this under the carpet as some sort of &quot;Bad Apples&quot; or &quot;Mistakes were Made&quot; whitewash.<p>Otherwise all that Hope &amp; Change sloganeering will be empty rhetoric.
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gadders大约 11 年前
Wouldn&#x27;t surprise me, given that congress and their assorted hangers on would leak confidential information for political advantage.