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After Big Bet, Hedge Fund Pulls the Levers of Power

102 点作者 kapilkale大约 11 年前

11 条评论

frankc大约 11 年前
This might be the most comically wrong piece of journalism I've read in my entire life. Ackman should be given a medal for what he's doing to this snake-oil selling pyramid scheme. He has even disavowed any personal profit from his investment. He hasn't made any secret of what he's doing. Short selling is a hugely important market mechanism that allows these fraudulant companies to be sussed out. If all the lobbying is disgusting to you, be disgusted with the system that requires it, not Ackman for playing the game. You don't think Herbalife is doing the same lobbying? I almost can't believe this article was published in the New York Times and not on a late night infomercial selling false hope to the downtrodden.
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rayiner大约 11 年前
Fighting herbal supplement companies and for profit colleges? Is this guy supposed to be the villain, or a hero?
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unsigner大约 11 年前
<i>Herbalife, a company that sells vitamins and other health supplements through independent distributors, many of whom are lower-income Latinos or African-Americans.</i><p>That&#x27;s one way to put it, yes.
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mathattack大约 11 年前
<i>The team includes lobbying firms run by two former members of Congress: Toby Moffett, a Democrat who once represented Connecticut, and Robert S. Walker, a Republican from Pennsylvania. Mr. Ackman also hired firms run by former top White House aides for President Obama and President Clinton. Jim Papa, who handled legislative affairs for the Obama White House, also joined the effort, with his firm, Global Strategy Group, a longtime consultant to Mr. Ackman.</i><p>Reading stuff like this really gets me sick to my stomach.
coldcode大约 11 年前
I don&#x27;t care much for Herbalife, but people like this disgust me, covering up a naked profit grab with an air of concern for others. Pathetic. Do it without making a profit and I might listen or even agree with you. Do it for the money and it&#x27;s clear you don&#x27;t care a whit what happens as long as your profit is assured. But historically wealthy business people have always convinced, conned or even bribed people (you can bribe people without money) to get what they want. Think late 19th century &quot;robber barons&quot;. It&#x27;s nothing new today, except lobbying is even easier since it&#x27;s also a big business today. Not a big fan of Icahn either, he bets on companies and then uses any means necessary to force the company to do what he wants in order to profit. The spirit of Rockefeller lives on.
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not_paul_graham大约 11 年前
Whenever big money is at play, there are bound to be players that will try to influence the market on either side of the trade, so I&#x27;m not sure why the NYT reporters are being so one sided in their coverage. One of the other big players on the other side of this trade is Carl Icahn (who owns nearly 15% of the stock) so there is pretty much equal influence if not more to negate whatever Bill Ackman can do. Other investors on the other side of Ackman include George Soros as well as William Stiritz, the CEO of Post Holdings, maker of Raisin Bran.<p>What I would like to add though is that Bill Ackman is extremely thorough before going all out on a bet of such proportions. If he wasn&#x27;t he wouldn&#x27;t be in the business any longer than average Joe. Bill Ackman has acknowledged losing $400 million to $500 million on his short position, and I really don&#x27;t think he is stupid enough to want to lose more money just to stroke his ego.<p>Here is one thing that the author states in the article:<p><i>Mr. Ackman once made a similar bet against the bond insurer MBIA, one that reaped him and his investors a $1.1 billion return. In a book about his MBIA wager called “Confidence Game,” the reporter-turned-financial analyst Christine S. Richard chronicled how he fought with regulators for SEVEN YEARS before his prediction that MBIA stock would “spiral downward” came true.</i><p>What this fails to take into state is that if the regulators had been more diligent in following up, they could have helped reign in the massive toxic CDO empire that companies like MBIA enabled that nearly tanked the global economy a couple of years ago. Also MBIA did everything it could to malign Ackman&#x27;s reputation. He was under investigation for more than a couple of years where he tried to convince the &quot;rating agencies&quot; Moodys, Fitch and the like and the regulators about all that was wrong with MBIA and other such companies. Confidence Game is a good book worth reading to understand how dumb the regulators and rating agencies can be.<p>So ultimately Ackman probably knows more about this than the reporter or the regulators because he binges on tons of information and is pissed that no one is doing anything about it. Similarly to what happened with MBIA. I&#x27;d say that he is going to this extent because he is beyond frustrated that others can&#x27;t see what he can see and he is trying to get others to do the research, and do what is right. He has stated that he will stick to this as long as it takes and so if there is an investigation, and they (Herbalife) come out clean, it&#x27;d still be a losing bet for Ackman as he is mainly concentrating his $$ into this trade.<p>If I had to put my money, I&#x27;d put it with Ackman, unfortunately I&#x27;m still grappling with my student debt to be able to afford making these kinds of bets.<p>In the grand scheme of things, I think Bill Ackman is more like David than Goliath. Sure he has a couple of billion in the bank, but investors like him are why corporate executives aren&#x27;t partying like they used to in the 50s&#x2F;60s&#x2F;70s&#x2F;80s and are becoming more accountable to shareholders (albeit very slowly).<p>I&#x27;d go so far as to say that if Paul Graham was in the business of funding hedge fund managers, Ackman would be one of his top picks from the applicant pool.<p>Also to add more context:<p>Ackman outspent by Herbalife in lobbying battle [1]<p><i>Hedge fund manager William Ackman, who is betting $1.16 billion that Herbalife is a fraud, spent $264,000 last year on lobbyists to press his case against the company, according to government documents filed in recent weeks.<p>THAT AMOUNT IS DWARFED BY THE NEARLY $2 million Herbalife spent in 2013 on federal lobbying as the nutrition and weight loss company fought the billionaire investor&#x27;s claims it runs a pyramid scheme. In an illegal pyramid scheme members earn more for recruiting new members into the scheme than for selling the products outside the network.</i><p>And Ackman isn&#x27;t alone in thinking that Herbalife is a pyramid scheme [2].<p>Disclaimer: This is my opinion, and as such all I know about Ackman is from the press, reading his report&#x2F;book called &quot;Is MBIA Triple A?&quot;, the book mentioned in the article &quot;Confidence Game&quot;, his talks&#x2F;interviews&#x2F;tv reports and second hand articles on the web.<p>[1] <a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/09/us-herbalife-idUSBREA280OH20140309" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reuters.com&#x2F;article&#x2F;2014&#x2F;03&#x2F;09&#x2F;us-herbalife-idUSB...</a> [2] <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbalife#Pyramid_scheme_allegations" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Herbalife#Pyramid_scheme_allega...</a>
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candybar大约 11 年前
This seems like a good balancing act. The levers of power are already available for crooks trying to prop up billion dollar empires. Why shouldn&#x27;t they be available for those who are trying to expose the crooks and take them down?
javert大约 11 年前
People in <i>every</i> sphere of activity (business, etc.) will find <i>every</i> way to exploit the government (and thus other people), and do so.<p>Two options:<p>(1) End independent spheres of activity<p>(2) Fix the exploits<p>Option #1 is an authoritarian state, option #2 is a state that recognizes individual rights (i.e. non-aggression) in principle on every issue.
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sharemywin大约 11 年前
The problem is there are already alot of rules setup to help the little guy from getting taken advantage of. goverenment required return policies. multiple states require you to register your business opportunity. rules aaginst front end loading. When Amway got sued the industry cleaned up it&#x27;s act alot. Also, alot of ditributors are people that buy the product at &quot;wholesale&quot; or a more reasonable price. Now why you think your going to make lots of money selling something everyone else is selling flappy bird knock offs I&#x27;m talking to you.
jgalt212大约 11 年前
My problem with Ackerman&#x27;s actions is he&#x27;s not only going after the bad actors (as he&#x27;s perceived them) but will cause a ton of collateral damage (Herbalife shareholders).<p>And on top of that nonsense, thanks to the carried interest tax loophole, Ackerman will pay very low taxes on his shenanigans.<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carried_interest#Taxation_of_carried_interest" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Carried_interest#Taxation_of_ca...</a>
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adamnemecek大约 11 年前
tphyahoo: you are shadowbanned.