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Russia Blocks Access to Major Independent News Sites

426 点作者 emilis_info大约 11 年前

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mike_esspe大约 11 年前
The law, that created internet block list in Russia, was promoted as a measure to stop child pornography:<p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Restriction_Bill" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Internet_Restriction_Bill</a>
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siculars大约 11 年前
Here&#x27;s an idea. Every organization that believes in freedom may consider repurposing their websites to allow access to censored sites.<p>Let&#x27;s say you&#x27;re in Russia and instead of configuring a proxy you simply go to eff.org or nyt.com or columbia.edu and you go to a special page there that then lets you go to all the sites that are censored in that country. The net result is that that country would then need to censor an ever growing list of sites to the extent that they either give up or blackhole the entire country. You could design a system that had distributed rate limiting, crowd sourced censorship lists and all you would have to do is drop some javascript lib in your site and some proxy on your backend. Ya, it&#x27;s some work, but hey, it&#x27;s time for the free world to put its money where its mouth is.
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sologoub大约 11 年前
Well... I was expecting a more impressive list then these: - www.grani.ru - www.kasparov.ru - www.ej.ru - <a href="http://navalny.livejournal.com" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;navalny.livejournal.com</a><p>Not even sure why they bothered to block Kasparov. I have yet to talk to someone who actually lives in Russia and cares about what he has to say.<p>While not a good move, it doesn&#x27;t quite live up to the EFF headline.<p>This is the official site that lists all blocked sites, but it looks like you have to know what you are looking for: <a href="http://eais.rkn.gov.ru/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;eais.rkn.gov.ru&#x2F;</a>. Note, I haven&#x27;t actually been able to get it to return any queries on the above sites...
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casualmuscovite大约 11 年前
Reporting from the trenches. Here in Moscow all 4 sites from the list [1] are being banned as of this morning.<p>* ej.ru (assortment of articles by opposition writers)<p>* kasparov.ru (chess grandmaster and one of the opposition leaders)<p>* navalny.livejournal.com (possibly most prominent opposition leader as of late; mayor of Moscow candidate in 2013 mayoral election)<p>* grani.ru (opposition newspaper)<p>I&#x27;d have to agree with said elsewhere in the comments that an average Russian will likely not notice those sites virtual demise. They&#x27;re not much known or popular outside of a tight opposition camp.<p>Echo of Moscow is, however, a very popular radio station. Banning their site is likely to cause a little shit storm. It is not banned though and working just fine. What happened is they hosted their own Navalny&#x27;s blog [2] and this particular URL was banned. However, the banning system is IP based, so along with it all the site would have been blocked. The site admins quickly took down the blog and the ban was lifted.<p>[1] <a href="http://rkn.gov.ru/news/rsoc/news24447.htm" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;rkn.gov.ru&#x2F;news&#x2F;rsoc&#x2F;news24447.htm</a><p>[2] <a href="http://www.echo.msk.ru/blog/navalny/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.echo.msk.ru&#x2F;blog&#x2F;navalny&#x2F;</a>
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Grue3大约 11 年前
Disgusting, first they started blocking random sites for &quot;promoting suicide&quot; or &quot;promoting drug use&quot;, and now they don&#x27;t even try to mask the censorship.<p>As a Russian citizen, I&#x27;m also very interested what Internet Hero Edward Snowden thinks about this.
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blogytalky大约 11 年前
The context of what&#x27;s happening in Russia is very important. And very sad:<p>1. Lenta.ru, one of the biggest Russian news websites (600 thousand visitors daily) mentioned in the article: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenta.ru" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Lenta.ru</a> Although Wikipedia says &quot;39 employees out of the total 84 lost their jobs&quot; it is known that they were not fired but were leaving the company together with fired Editor-in-Chief Galina Timchenko as an act against censorship. Some links:<p><a href="http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26543464" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bbc.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;world-europe-26543464</a><p><a href="http://en.rsf.org/russia-lenta-ru-website-is-latest-13-03-2014,45996.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.rsf.org&#x2F;russia-lenta-ru-website-is-latest-13-03-20...</a><p><a href="http://blogs.wsj.com/emergingeurope/2014/03/12/russian-news-editor-fired-after-interviewing-ukrainian-nationalist/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;blogs.wsj.com&#x2F;emergingeurope&#x2F;2014&#x2F;03&#x2F;12&#x2F;russian-news-...</a><p>2. And this is what happened with TV Rain news channel. It will be closed soon most probably.<p><a href="http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/04/russian-news-channel-tv-rain" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;world&#x2F;2014&#x2F;feb&#x2F;04&#x2F;russian-news-ch...</a><p><a href="http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/comment/2014/02/asking-the-wrong-question-on-russian-tv.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.newyorker.com&#x2F;online&#x2F;blogs&#x2F;comment&#x2F;2014&#x2F;02&#x2F;asking...</a><p>3. Echo Moskvy. &quot;The head of one of Russia&#x27;s few remaining independent broadcasters, Ekho Moskvy, has been dismissed and replaced by an editor from state media.&quot;, &quot;Its editor said it was an &quot;unjust&quot; and &quot;totally political decision&quot; aimed at changing editorial policy.&quot;<p><a href="http://www.rferl.org/content/gazprom_wants_to_dismiss_radio_board/24483318.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.rferl.org&#x2F;content&#x2F;gazprom_wants_to_dismiss_radio_...</a><p><a href="http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26239715" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bbc.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;world-europe-26239715</a><p>4. The New Times started a paid subscription to protect itself from censorship a few months ago. This is the only link, in Russian, couldn&#x27;t find any sources in English: <a href="http://www.newtimes.ru/obrashenie-avtora/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.newtimes.ru&#x2F;obrashenie-avtora&#x2F;</a>
spenvo大约 11 年前
The greatest instrument used in the societal tragedies of the last century has (undoubtedly) been state delivered propaganda.<p>Japan (Empire of the Rising Sun), Nazi Germany, Maoism (and the following Cultural Revolution), in America: Red Scare (age of McCarthyism, ending as a consequence of JMc.&#x27;s untimely death), the Red Peril (the predecessor of the Red Scare) -- the list goes on. The efficacy of those at the top to wield their power would have been far less without propaganda. Their ability to acquire it -- even less still.<p>Consider current-day North Korea, Venezuela, or numerous Middle-Eastern countries (which regulate education as well as the internet); consider the intellectually subdued population of China and the unconscionable acts which have been silently taking place in Tibet (and elsewhere) behind the Great Firewall. All of these nations are suffering from handicapped&#x2F;censored versions of the internet -- while simultaneously being subjected to propaganda.<p>Russia can now officially be added to that club. I can&#x27;t help but extrapolate -- applying this trend to other nations.<p>An Uncensored and Open Internet* is crucial to the subversion of tyrannical governments&#x27; propaganda efforts.<p>* - (I prefer this to &quot;Free and Open&quot; because &#x27;free&#x27; is so easily misunderstood by baby boomers)<p>~ ~<p>We are witnessing (again [0]) a complete lack of attempted narrative on the part of the US&#x2F;UK mainstream press. There isn&#x27;t the slightest reason to not give this story ample coverage -- it is anti-Putin&#x2F;Russia (which, we can all agree is the current fetish in the media), and it is absolutely newsworthy -- even by their standards (they covered when the Russia Today anchors quit and spoke-out). SO WHAT GIVES? This is the dereliction of duty in &quot;journalism.&quot; Shame. And it is greatly affecting the movement for an Uncensored and Open Internet.<p>&quot;Coverage&quot; is different from &quot;being reported.&quot; This needs to reach baby boomers in the form of a headline. They don&#x27;t appreciate the internet because they can&#x27;t connect the dots.<p>I&#x27;ve snapshoted cnn.com, foxnews.com, msnbc.com, bbc.com - at 8:51pm CST at web.archive.org . I&#x27;m the crackpot that believes there are ulterior motives in this pattern of institutional ignorance&#x2F;behavior.<p>~ ~<p>When it comes to the marketing of high stakes legislation - know that the true motives are often-times blended with an actual public desire, with the bill being a means to another end entirely. As mike_esspe points out: this action being taken is through the passage of Russia&#x27;s &quot;anti-child pornography&quot; bill. For those that missed it, here&#x27;s what happening in the UK on the same front of misdirection. [0]<p>If you care about making a difference, beyond &quot;liking&quot; and &quot;upvoting&quot; -- I highly recommend (as did Aaron Swartz) reading &quot;The Power Broker,&quot; and you will have a greater appreciation of the forces at play and how opaque the processes which deliver and execute the policies of governance really are.<p>[0] - A recent example of the mainstream press giving essentially no coverage came with GHCQ webcam revelations: <a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7315743" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=7315743</a> The loose connection between the (casually addressed) problems of pictures obtained of minors&#x27; nudity in the webcam program and the governments&#x27; attempts to censor the internet on the back of the serious child pornography issue is worth noting, for its hypocrisy.<p>[1] - <a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1zhd6i/david_camerons_aide_on_child_internet_policy_has/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;worldnews&#x2F;comments&#x2F;1zhd6i&#x2F;david_came...</a> ~~<p>For the inevitable Godwin&#x27;s Law comebacks. People too often focus on Hitler&#x27;s 1936-39 rise to global prominence: what is often overlooked is the unabated role of the party&#x27;s propaganda-machine from 1921 to 1932 to gain popular support and 1932 to ~1936 to brainwash the remaining populace.
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spoiledtechie大约 11 年前
1. Create laws to shut down public knowledge.<p>2. Use those laws to shut down public knowledge.<p>3. Invade a country to see how the rest of the world responds.<p>4. This is the most important step. We respond with strength or we respond with diplomacy.<p>5. If we respond with diplomacy step 6 would be for Putin to invade another country. If we respond with force, it would lead Putin to respond with backtracking...<p>The choice is theirs.
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1gor大约 11 年前
While the press freedom is important there are different priorities during the wartime.<p>Russia today is ready to go to war with the West in order to keep Ukraine from joining NATO. &quot;Russia regards this as an existential threat and will do whatever it takes to prevent it happening. (<a href="http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26566452)&quot;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bbc.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;world-europe-26566452)&quot;</a><p>The banned sites are considered enemy propaganda outfits by Kremlin.
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tokenadult大约 11 年前
This is breaking news, so a lot of people who might be expected to comment about this in other press sources have had no opportunity to do so, I suppose. I personally would like to hear what Edward Snowden has to say about this, and I hope the Russian authorities will provide the opportunity for him to comment on Internet freedom in Russia in light of recent events.
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theflork大约 11 年前
If you are in Russia I would get the TOR browser fast, before the government blocks the main TOR download mirrors as well.
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sidcool大约 11 年前
And this is the first step towards a country&#x27;s gradual demise. World will always progress towards freedom. It&#x27;s a gradual but sure process, just like evolution. Some call it Social evolution.
dangerden大约 11 年前
I&#x27;m from Russia. Yes, sure, it is a plan to control the media. Especially when Internet media are so popular. We still have access to all other western medias. It is pretty simple to compare the facts. Of course these happenings are tightly linked to the Ukraine crisis. I could say that western people also do not get the whole picture as national medias cover the crisis in a very biased way. One more time we see that medias are being controlled by someone imposing &quot;national&quot; interests.
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motbob大约 11 年前
EFF&#x27;s title conjures up images of sites like CNN and Reuters being blocked. A better title might be &quot;Russia Blocks Access to Major Opposition News Sites.&quot;
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phektus大约 11 年前
Well at least something they and the States can agree about.<p><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bea-edwards/the-us-and-australia-prop_b_4956635.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.huffingtonpost.com&#x2F;bea-edwards&#x2F;the-us-and-austral...</a>
ekianjo大约 11 年前
It&#x27;s ironical that this news and the one on &quot;Papers, Please&quot; are at the top of HN at the same time. kind of looks like Russia is warping back to his former soviet state.
zavulon大约 11 年前
I&#x27;m so glad my family got out of Russia 17 years ago.
1gor大约 11 年前
Did EFF complain about Ukraine government outlawing access to any Russian language news a few days ago?<p><i></i>Correction<i></i>: Above sentence is not correct. Not <i>all</i> Russian language news were outlawed. Instead, only Russian TV channels were banned in Ukraine a few days ago. This has caused OSCE to express concern. See the link below.<p>Almost a half of Ukrainians speak Russian language. New Kiev government has banned national broadcasts in this language, effectively denying its people access to information.<p>When we hear the arguments that banning Russian-language press&#x2F;TV in Ukraine is OK, since those are necessarily &#x27;Putin propaganda&#x27;, but banning radical sites[1] in Russia is wrong, because they are &#x27;independent news&#x27;, we can only admire the ability to maintain double standards without as much at batting an eye.<p>(<a href="http://www.osce.org/fom/116312" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.osce.org&#x2F;fom&#x2F;116312</a>)<p>[1] I don&#x27;t necessarily agree with Russian government definition of &#x27;extremist&#x2F;radical&#x27;, but their point is that above Russian sites have given their pages to neo-Nazis to call to armed struggle against the state.
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anuraj大约 11 年前
Independent News Site? That is News!!!
couchnaut大约 11 年前
And EFF &quot;happened&quot; to find out about that just in the midst of Ukraine crisis. How fitting.
CmonDev大约 11 年前
&quot;Independent&quot; - they all are profitable _purely_ based on ads and subscribers, right?
_asciiker_大约 11 年前
If anyone can setup &#x2F; use a web proxy, it&#x27;s the Russians!
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etanazir大约 11 年前
Russia no block Hacker News yet?
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ommunist大约 11 年前
The thing is EFF article heading is misleading. These listed websites are not &quot;major independent news sites&quot;. And they never been. When it comes to independent news sources, Russia uses a lot of newsru.com, lenta.ru, utro.ru, none of those blocked. Besides livejournal.com works from Russia as usual. Serve it from open public proxy in Novosibirsk and see for yourself. It is sad EFF became a channel for demonization of Russian public image these days.
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pinkskip大约 11 年前
And Edward Snowden thinks he is in utopia.
RomanPushkin大约 11 年前
I&#x27;m from Russia, and you know, average Russian didn&#x27;t feel that major independent news sites are blocked. May be they&#x27;re blocked, but we actually don&#x27;t give a f..k about them. We have other independent news sites. So my position is like the West is trying to force hysteria.<p>Please don&#x27;t think that we don&#x27;t have freedoms here. We have much more freedom that you can ever imagine. As well, we don&#x27;t need to be protected by the bulwark of democracy - US.<p>We&#x27;re just fine!
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