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Elon Musk: To the People of New Jersey

1265 点作者 zipop大约 11 年前

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grellas大约 11 年前
Paternalistic meddling with free consumer choices is always fraught with peril.<p>Sometimes it is necessary to protect important principles in society. You can&#x27;t discriminate based on race - that limits choice but who would support the contrary? You can&#x27;t defraud people in selling products - ditto. You can&#x27;t buy land to build a smokestack plant in a quiet residential neighborhood - ditto. Many other examples might be cited. In all such cases, the law intervenes to limit private choices. And there are few who would not applaud most such limits. Private choice is not the end all and be all of a society.<p>Yet, in a free society, private choice should be the overwhelming norm and it should require surmounting very large barriers before legal meddling can limit the choices people can make to serve their own best interests.<p>Unfortunately, in old-line industries, this idea got flipped and, for years, private choice succumbed to whatever a combination of big government, big corporations, and big unions dictated to the public. Back in the day, writers such as John Kenneth Galbraith even used to celebrate the idea of a &quot;new industrial state&quot; in which the old private competition would yield to ever increasing concentrations of power among government, industry, and labor, who would in turn find ways to &quot;cooperate&quot; with one another in ushering in a more enlightened form of carving up markets and their benefits than mere freedom and competition might provide.<p>Well, the bureaucratic edict in New Jersey is a relic of that old thinking, perhaps perversely and cynically applied to buy off lobbyists and influencers but rationalized nonetheless by the old paternalistic thinking that the consumer is ultimately best served by having his betters making his buying choices for him rather than being allowed to make them for himself.<p>Other than in this cynical sense, there is no possible way in which this outrage can possibly be characterized as &quot;protecting&quot; the consumer.<p>Perhaps the main contribution made by the tech revolution since the 1970s is that it ushered in an era of huge freedom in how people managed their private lives. The internet in particular has been a huge liberating force and so young people especially have come to take it for granted that they can freely make all sorts of choices without having to feel burdened or restricted by the heavy hand of the law. Of course, exceptions can and do remain because abuses can pop up in all sorts of ways without any legal restraints. But, that said, the <i>overwhelming presumption</i> today is that, yes, I can do pretty much what I feel is best for me unless there is a very good reason why I should be restricted from doing so.<p>And that means, if I live in New Jersey, I should be able to find a local Tesla outlet in which I can buy my electric car if I want. The thought that some politician or bureaucrat should be able to dictate serious limits on that choice is repugnant to anyone who thinks that way. And, in my view, rightly so.<p>Unfortunately, where the old political pull persists, the law can be abused to protect old-line market players under some guise or other that is a mere pretext for guarding them from competitors who might offer something better and wind up dislodging them in a free market. Legal regulation is not to be rejected out of hand, of course. Maybe the old-line taxi services ought not to have their business cherry-picked by new market entrants who do things differently. Maybe there ought to be some limits in an urban context on absolute free space-letting if this creates nuisances or the like. The line can sometimes be tricky to draw and can require careful and fair-minded judgments given the interests at stake. But how often do we have situations where nothing of the kind happens and instead the issues are decided, in essence, by who pays off whom and who has what degree of political or bureaucratic pull that can be used to protect systems and structures that are far inferior to what the new competition might offer.<p>I believe that, in these sorts of cases, the tech impetus will ultimately prevail and push things toward broader and freer areas of choice for consumers. Even with this rear-guard action in New Jersey, Teslas can be bought direct from the manufacturer just a short distance away or via remote ordering. And tech-inspired sales and distribution methods in this and a broad swath of other fields will mean that those seeking to limit consumer choice by protecting local turf through bureaucratic pull will be fighting what will ultimately prove to be a losing battle. As consumers, we are not bottled up anymore. If we don&#x27;t like something that is really stupid, we can more and more work around it using other solutions.<p>And so we can, I think, basically see that what the local commission is trying to do in New Jersey is much more a last gasp for the old ways as opposed to being a harbinger that will limit Tesla (or any similar new-wave competitor) from accomplishing its goals. Tesla is right to oppose and fight it (and presents a compelling argument for its view). But the action stands out as so bizarre precisely because it is so out of step with the tech impetus that rules our day. It will stand legally (courts are loathe to intervene in such matters). But the longer-term political winds are against it, in my view, and it will prove a temporary obstacle at most as the modern tech impetus advances.
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skore大约 11 年前
&gt; <i>An even bigger conflict of interest with auto dealers is that they make most of their profit from service, but electric cars require much less service than gasoline cars. There are no oil, spark plug or fuel filter changes, no tune-ups and no smog checks needed for an electric car. Also, all Tesla Model S vehicles are capable of over-the-air updates to upgrade the software, just like your phone or computer, so no visit to the service center is required for that either.</i><p>Gotta hand it to Musk - that&#x27;s some smooth salestalk in what is supposed to be just voicing a public opinion against shady politics. I was halfway through the third sentence when I caught myself thinking - &quot;indeed, that does sound like such a better dea--- Hey wait a minute!&quot;. Musk, you sneaky bastard! Never missing a chance to remind me why I want a dang tesla.<p>He is right <i>and</i> it&#x27;s a terrific salespitch. That&#x27;s the best kind of right.
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nlh大约 11 年前
His best line:<p>&gt; <i>The rationale given for the regulation change that requires auto companies to sell through dealers is that it ensures &#x27;consumer protection&#x27;. If you believe this, Gov. Christie has a bridge closure he wants to sell you! Unless they are referring to the mafia version of &#x27;protection&#x27;, this is obviously untrue.</i><p>Nicely done, Elon. Nicely done.
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bfe大约 11 年前
Just last week, Elon argued against a different legal monopoly, for national security launch services by the Boeing-Lockheed joint venture. [1]<p>It&#x27;s amazing how much building a new company in a supposedly free market requires arguing against politicians who claim to champion free market economics, but who actually use government to give cushy monopolies to incumbents with big lobbying budgets.<p>&quot;Crony capitalism&quot; isn&#x27;t an accurate term for this; it&#x27;s more like economic central planning by way of lobbyists instead of communist bureaus.<p>1. <a href="http://www.spacex.com/press/2014/03/05/elon-musks-statement-us-senate-appropriations-subcommittee-defense" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.spacex.com&#x2F;press&#x2F;2014&#x2F;03&#x2F;05&#x2F;elon-musks-statement-...</a><p><a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-05/musk-makes-washington-push-for-military-launch-market.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bloomberg.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;2014-03-05&#x2F;musk-makes-washingt...</a>
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mncolinlee大约 11 年前
Having bought a Nissan LEAF, I can say with confidence that traditional auto dealers are where electric vehicles go unsold. Numerous members of our electric auto owners group share the same exact stories.<p>You go to the dealer specifically asking for an electric car and the salesman tries to make you change your mind to another vehicle. Considering the bonus structure at most dealerships, there is no incentive to sell an electric vehicle.<p>First, the dealership may choose not to participate in selling electric models at all.<p>Second, there is usually only one or two people allowed to sell an electric vehicle because your salesperson was not trained. Who wants to lose a customer and a bonus to another salesman?<p>Third, it takes longer to sell an electric vehicle because you have to explain everything that gas car owners already take for granted. You make less money by spending more time. This also leads most salesmen to push for 10% over MSRP, harming sales.<p>Finally, some very corrupt dealers go so far as to deliberately discharge their vehicles and leave them that way so they won&#x27;t have to try selling them. Dealers have little incentive to sell the entire lineup of manufacturer vehicles if they have to train and hire more sales staff for one model. Some dealership owners may even may be politically opposed to the idea of electric vehicles.
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mrt0mat0大约 11 年前
It blows my mind that in a country that preaches a free-market economy, the government is preventing a company from selling a superior product. I&#x27;m pretty sure people will still buy the car if they want to, and in time, those car companies will go under anyway, but why slow down progress?
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smacktoward大约 11 年前
<i>&gt; The evidence is clear: when has an American startup auto company ever succeeded by selling through auto dealers? The last successful American car company was Chrysler, which was founded almost a century ago, and even they went bankrupt a few years ago, along with General Motors. Since the founding of Chrysler, there have been dozens of failures, Tucker and DeLorean being simply the most well-known. In recent years, electric car startups, such as Fisker, Coda, and many others, attempted to use auto dealers and all failed.</i><p>This part works better as an argument for &quot;don&#x27;t start a car company&quot; than anything else.<p>I mean, yes, Tucker and DeLorean and Fisker <i>et al</i> used dealers, and they all failed, but that doesn&#x27;t mean that they failed <i>because</i> they used dealers. The people who worked for them all consumed oxygen, too; it doesn&#x27;t follow that we&#x27;d all be driving DeLoreans today if only we lived in an artificial vacuum.<p>I appreciate where he&#x27;s coming from, and I think he should be allowed to sell his cars directly to anyone who wants to buy one that way, but shoddy &quot;correlation equals causation&quot; arguments don&#x27;t help his case.
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jusben1369大约 11 年前
Musk is massively disingenuous and rather insulting to our intelligence. But he&#x27;s a heck of a salesman and makes a wonderful car. Like many persuasive people he arrives at an answer and backs into rationale but makes it appear the other way around.<p>I&#x27;ll give you just <i>one</i> example. The law of the land in NJ is that you can&#x27;t sell in NJ unless through a dealership. That&#x27;s the current law. Those laws need to change to allow a direct to consumer sale. Map that to this quote &quot;ended your right to purchase vehicles at a manufacturer store within the state.&quot; Brilliant. &quot;You lost something you had&quot; is so much more powerful than &quot;We need to persuade the legislator to make a change to add something new&quot;<p>Seriously, I dig his cars. And his vision. And I suspect that to attack such large entrenched markets you have to have this kind of maniacal drive. I just hate being misled and manipulated - no matter who the person.
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rayiner大约 11 年前
&gt; The rationale given for the regulation change that requires auto companies to sell through dealers is that it ensures “consumer protection”. If you believe this, Gov. Christie has a bridge closure he wants to sell you!<p>One of the things I love about Elon Musk, besides the fact that he has the balls to tackle hard, capital-intensive problems, is that he has a pragmatic, realist approach. Getting SpaceX NASA contracts was not something everyone would have done, not when many were marching to the drumbeat of &quot;private space exploration is superior to public.&quot; And apparently, he&#x27;s not being above throwing a recent scandal in Chris Christie&#x27;s face.<p>The whole article is a great play though. Note that he starts by explaining the rationale for the existing laws, validating their original purpose, then showing why that rationale doesn&#x27;t apply to Tesla. This is wonderful persuasive writing.
bane大约 11 年前
The truth is, car dealerships, which are mostly locally owned, are a way for a state to boost revenue capture and generate jobs. In New Jersey, not being able to pump your own gas is the same deal.<p>Look at the economics of a Tesla dealership, for every car sold in New Jersey, how much of that money stays in New Jersey? And let&#x27;s be honest, being a car salesman is not the most lucrative or respectable of trades. The jobs are usually temporary so down on their luck folks can try and earn some money while looking for something else. Ensuring a state has dealerships possibly out of work people can fall into for temporary jobs is like having a social welfare program without having it on the books.<p>It sucks, but if you were a legislator in NJ, would you rather Tesla&#x27;s profit went all out of state to Tesla, or if your citizens could get a crack at some of it and have it circulate around in the local economy for a bit.<p>It&#x27;s unpopular, and us tech folks don&#x27;t like it, but from a NJ legislator&#x27;s position it&#x27;s pretty rational.<p>The correct answer of course is to foster a local auto industry and get a company to make and build and sell cars from out of NJ elsewhere. But that&#x27;s too impossibly forward looking.
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Edmond大约 11 年前
I hope people don&#x27;t forget the profit motive of Mr Musk. It seems technology entrepreneurs have adopted the rhetoric of &quot;just trying to make the world a better place&quot; while conveniently ignoring their own profit making motives. I am no friend of car dealers but I am also not going to be suckered by a self-serving sales pitch.<p>While I don&#x27;t necessarily support the NJ move, I think we should start asking questions about economic value flow. If people live in one place yet all their economic activity is directed to some place on the other side of the country, what is the long term effect of this on their local economy?<p>I don&#x27;t exclude myself, we all use these web services that are highly concentrated in SV, what is going to happen to our local economies?
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ZeGoggles大约 11 年前
&quot;The rationale given for the regulation change that requires auto companies to sell through dealers is that it ensures “consumer protection”. If you believe this, Gov. Christie has a bridge closure he wants to sell you! Unless they are referring to the mafia version of “protection”, this is obviously untrue.&quot;<p>This is weird. Really weird. It&#x27;s raw and exaggerated...almost a cartoon. I&#x27;d believe this is raw Elon Musk, but <i>why</i> is someone letting raw Elon Musk define this campaign? Remember raw Bill Gates? Did we learn nothing from that? Or maybe we learned a lot. And &quot;we&quot; have developed an affinity--a need--for the brash genius.<p>I&#x27;m probabilistically wrong--Tesla&#x27;s doing well. But something about this appeal, the wording, makes me react atavistically, &quot;Go fuck yourself. Nothing is obvious.&quot;<p>I had an argument here, but it didn&#x27;t seem important, so whatever. Dogecoin and such. Also hyperloop. But really, hyperloop. But remember, I was right about New Jersey. Poor New Jersey.
caycep大约 11 年前
Throwing it down publicly to Chris Christie - now that is confidence!
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sheetjs大约 11 年前
&gt; the auto dealer franchise laws were originally put in place for a just cause and are now being twisted to an unjust purpose<p>... and Christie can argue that allowing Tesla creates a slippery slope whereby Ford and GM and other companies end up crushing the franchisees that the law intended to protect.<p>Musk is trying to find a middle ground that just doesn&#x27;t exist unless you accept governments creating one-off laws that specifically recognizes individual corporations.
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a1a大约 11 年前
&gt; all Tesla Model S vehicles are capable of over-the-air updates to upgrade the software, just like your phone or computer<p>It&#x27;s an interesting future. We are approaching the age of malware infected cars. Does anyone have more info about what the limitations of this internet connected system is? What is possible if someone roots my car?<p>- Can they disable security system?<p>- Unlock the car? Lock me out of the car?<p>- Feed false data (slow destruction of car)? Feed false speed-data? False directions?<p>- Obtain the cars whereabouts?<p>- Disable breaks (would assume not)?
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flyinglizard大约 11 年前
Look beyond this local issue, and you&#x27;ll see how we&#x27;re in the middle of a huge power shift. It used to be that businessmen like Musk had to lobby, pressure and bribe, now they just need to appeal directly to the public, completely bypassing the political system in the process.<p>It hasn&#x27;t started with Musk, of course. The most obvious display of such power was the website blackout that led to the SOPA repeal. That showed politicians who <i>really</i> holds the power. These companies barely flex their muscles either; just imagine what would happen if Google decided to get into public shaming in its homepage for entities trying to block its Fiber initiative.<p>The public no longer believes politicians, but they all believe Zuckerberg, Page and Musk. That makes for an interesting future.
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atmosx大约 11 年前
Could someone explain to a European, in simple words, how the franchise-dealer-factory thing works?<p>If a dealer is the company who <i>actually sales cars</i> and the factory is the one that produces them, why do they need a franchise in between? And how come that a <i>dealer</i> is comparable to a manufacturer <i>Tesla</i>? Why do they have conflict of interests selling non-gasoline cars?!
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easymovet大约 11 年前
Very saddened by the blatant corruption in our government. Where do I vote for a new government based on ethics and accountability (apart from New Zealand).
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larrys大约 11 年前
&quot;An even bigger conflict of interest with auto dealers is that they make most of their profit from service, but electric cars require much less service than gasoline cars. There are no oil, spark plug or fuel filter changes, no tune-ups and no smog checks needed for an electric car.&quot;<p>Well then what about BMW with bumper to bumper service as only one example. That&#x27;s a high end car that you don&#x27;t pay for service for (iirc) 3 years. They cover everything. Wiper blades you name it. I think last I checked the same was true for Subaru and I think even Jeep Chrysler is doing this (may be wrong about that one).<p>And that&#x27;s not a conflict of interest but rather a business model. In the case of cars which do make money from service they therefore in theory have a lower price for the vehicle.<p>This argument is like saying that you are a better airline because you don&#x27;t charge for luggage. Presumably that extra revenue allows you to offer lower ticket prices. And surprise that is what happens. Back when airlines were regulated (and had less competition) and they charged way higher prices they didn&#x27;t have to nickle and dime you to make a profit.
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kator大约 11 年前
My father worked for 30+ years in auto dealerships. He was a mechanic and in the end worked his way up as the service manager. It was made clear to him that sales had to make money and service had to make money and they didn&#x27;t care how it was done. He is a good and honorable man and even quit one dealership because they pushed crazy service incentives on service writers to up-sell every kind of service you can imagine. That said in the end he retired early because the dealership he was at was bought by a consortium of dealerships and they let him know that his service shop wasn&#x27;t as profitable as needed and that he needed to up-sell more services to the customers.<p>In the end dealerships are about making money from their clients by &quot;adding value&quot;. Sadly most of the time that value is having the black car in stock -vs- someone down the street who only has the blue one.<p>It&#x27;s sad to see a government more concerned about backing the establishment then creating an environment for free trade and new business models.
SurfScore大约 11 年前
<i>Our stores will transition to being galleries, where you can see the car and ask questions of our staff, but we will not be able to discuss price or complete a sale in the store. However, that can still be done at our Manhattan store just over the river in Chelsea or our King of Prussia store near Philadelphia.</i><p>&quot;Cross an imaginary line a few miles down the road that the auto dealers can&#x27;t access and everything will be A-OK!&quot;<p>This is everything that is wrong with politics in a sentence.
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larrys大约 11 年前
&quot;Moreover, it is much harder to sell a new technology car from a new company when people are so used to the old. Inevitably, they revert to selling what’s easy and it is game over for the new company.&quot;<p>That&#x27;s total BS. Any dealer who invests money in a new show room to sell a new brand of car (think of Mini which was picked up by many legacy BMW dealers and is sold in many mini only showrooms) is going to put in the effort to sell the product. We aren&#x27;t talking about putting Teslas on the same floor as Mercedes. It would be trivial for Tesla to insist that the product be sold out of a dedicated facility which would cost a dealer money to construct. The idea that that dealer would simply push another product (or the salesman) in another showroom that he operates is ridiculous. And contrary to the behavior of existing multi line large dealerships.
dangoldin大约 11 年前
So it seems you can still buy it online. Does that mean you can go into a dealership and just buy it on your phone?
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ValG大约 11 年前
This just got reposted on the NPR site, it&#x27;s highly relevant and timely along with this law and Elon&#x27;s response:<p><a href="http://pcasts.in/9Ruq" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;pcasts.in&#x2F;9Ruq</a>?<p>In it, some argue that &quot;A no haggle, painless car buying experience will eventually come; but it won&#x27;t be without your local dealers&quot;<p>I wouldn&#x27;t be so sure. As Elon states, the fundamentals of the industry haven&#x27;t changed in quite a while. He&#x27;s approaching it from one direction (The cars&#x2F;manufacturing and sale of new cars), and others (like myself and partners) are going directly after the used car Buying&#x2F;Selling process. Our goal is to make it as easy as possible for Sellers&#x2F;Buyers to transact. Check us out here:<p><a href="http://www.instamotor.com/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.instamotor.com&#x2F;</a>
Systemic33大约 11 年前
So much for the american &quot;free market&quot;...<p>What a joke.<p>As a european, i can&#x27;t even comprehend how ludicruous it sounds that a business can&#x27;t sell it&#x27;s goods directly. It&#x27;s so outrageously wrong, that I can&#x27;t find words that fit adequately.
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chris_mahan大约 11 年前
That&#x27;s some good writing by Elon, by the way.<p>Perhaps it went through an editor or two, for typos and such, but I have to say I find his style engaging...<p>(Disclaimer: If I had the money I&#x27;d buy a tesla, and I am an investor.)
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lnanek2大约 11 年前
This is pretty standard for New Jersey. It&#x27;s common for money from highway projects to get diverted, or tolls to go into people&#x27;s pockets long after roads were paid for, etc..
rdtsc大约 11 年前
Is it possible for Tesla to just create a shell &quot;autodealer dealer&quot; company in each state. I am guessing they thought of that and legal language prevents its from working.
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zobzu大约 11 年前
I think the major point is that we <i>want</i> to be on his side. As long as hes not saying or doing something completely wrong, I&#x27;m sure we all agree there are huge issues with the govt, laws and corruption and that any strong voice attempting to fix this is a good thing.<p>There&#x27;s also a lack in innovation and lead from the US market in various technologies.<p>Elon Musk took all of these things head on and keeps doing so all the time. What&#x27;s not to like, I would ask?<p>I am 100% behind the man as long as he keeps doing so.
AgathaTheWitch大约 11 年前
I will be glad to move out of Jersey (likely next year). I live in Fort Lee and was trapped in &quot;Bridgegate&quot; traffic last fall. My cautious optimism over Christie has faded over the years as he has so transparently started focusing on positioning for 2016. This cave-in to the dealership lobby is just another reason to take my talents and tax dollars elsewhere.
pbreit大约 11 年前
In case you missed this last year, Tesla&#x27;s vision for servicing and customer delight is refreshingly progressive: <a href="http://www.teslamotors.com/blog/creating-world%E2%80%99s-best-service-and-warranty-program-0" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.teslamotors.com&#x2F;blog&#x2F;creating-world%E2%80%99s-bes...</a>
tinalumfoil大约 11 年前
TL;DR: Elon Musk disagrees with the decision and viciously attacks Chris Christie , Auto Dealers, the State of NJ and compares their reasoning to the mafia. He also encourages you to buy a tesla car before the laws take into effect. Tesla will continue to lobby and possibly sue for a change.
sidcool大约 11 年前
The ugly side of capitalism. But that does not make the whole system bad. There are those who will always stall progress for profits, and there are those who will surmount the bullies. Go Elon!
rdl大约 11 年前
It&#x27;s interesting that Christie seems to have totally given up on being a viable national political candidate, after the drive slow thing with the bridges, this, and some other issues.
acd大约 11 年前
I think that oil is poison for humanity, it leads to resource conflicts and providing money for evil governments. Thus we need to get off oil to have long term peace on earth.<p>Elon Musk is a hero
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zipop大约 11 年前
I&#x27;m not opposed to what Musk is trying to do but how or why are auto dealers a monopoly? Those direct sales laws were originally created to preserve small business.
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EGreg大约 11 年前
Musk&#x27;s sales around the country are probably going up thanks to this event, and his taking the opportunity to tout Teslas using facts :)
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Jugurtha大约 11 年前
&quot;To the People of New Jersey&quot;.. I can picture a Marsian saying this. Oh wait, it&#x27;s Elon Musk :)
sadfnjksdf大约 11 年前
NJ can just buy from nearby states. Not a good solution, but whatever.
puppetmaster3大约 11 年前
Musk, you need to make donation to the right politicians. N00b.
hyp0大约 11 年前
such pleasure to read Musk. he&#x27;s got that evangelial air... of course, it helps that he&#x27;s in the right.<p>I wonder if he&#x27;ll end up Emperor of Mars?