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Why There Are No Girls In San Francisco

100 点作者 condor将近 16 年前

22 条评论

lr将近 16 年前
I've had more time to think about this... This link is now the number 2 link on HN. A few days ago one of the top links was about how to survive on $36/month for food. You have to be kidding me, right? Sorry, but woman and marathon, multi-day coding sessions filled with noodles, beans, rice, oats and pb&j just don't mix.
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jasonlbaptiste将近 16 年前
The valley, specifically Palo Alto is not that bad at all. Actually it's damn good. It's a college town, and Stanford girls are quite good looking. The bar scene is nice at Old Pro, Blue Chalk, etc. Sadly, facebook employees often overtake a lot of the old pro.<p>If you're in the tech industry, then you probably spend most of your time out at "industry" events. There might occasionally be a couple of cute girls, but you're looking in the wrong place.<p>I can't speak for SF itself, since I always hung out in the Valley. Dress well, get in shape, and be charismatic, as you'll actually be able to stand out above the plethora of anti-social bufoons. You're also probably passionate about what you do, so make sure that comes across as women seem to respect that too out there.<p>This all comes from someone who now lives in Miami, where the women are supposed to be unbelievably attractive. They are, but i'll use the cliche and say looks aren't everything. Actually the women here are so dumb and pretentious that it's able to make supermodels become unattractive. The Valley has an awesome balance of looks and brains, so do not take that for granted.
ajg1977将近 16 年前
Somehow I suspect the guys who are getting the girls aren't at home writing blog posts about the subject.
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branden将近 16 年前
As someone who is considering moving to San Francisco, this is terrifying. Please, can a local soothe me with a rebuttal?
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kqr2将近 16 年前
From one of the article's references:<p><a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/3318366/Wealth-is-key-for-marriage-study-claims.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/3318366/Weal...</a><p><i>Pedersen suggested that people will change many aspects of their behaviour as a knock-on effect of the competition induced by sex ratio fluctuations. For men, these include greater fidelity, commitment to careers, and increased investment in children when women are scarce.</i><p>Is there evidence that men are also more committed to marriages in San Francisco? Are divorce rates lower?
paul9290将近 16 年前
Also why is there a lack of African American people there?<p>Anyone ever been to a technology conference? I felt like I stepped into Harvard circa 1955.
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lsb将近 16 年前
As a gay man in Boston, I'd be fascinated if someone revisited those numbers in a queer context: how do things change for bisexuals? Homosexuals? What's the effect of mixed genders in a bar? The common trend seems to just be packing more 21-35 year old men into a room, and I don't know how far that is from optimal.
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justin将近 16 年前
Going to a bar to meet women is stacking the deck against you in SF. The best place to go is yoga class. Plus, you'll be able to actually do something nice for your body at the same time.
kqr2将近 16 年前
Is there any explanation from game theory as to why a slight imbalance causes such an exaggerated effect?<p>It makes sense that since there are more men, women get pickier, so paradoxically there appears to be less good men available to women.<p>What does game theory predict in such a situation?
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zaidf将近 16 年前
SF is outrightly depressing when it comes to girls! The numbers are just not comparable to a city like NYC or LA.
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johnrob将近 16 年前
That is spot on. Population-wise, SF men outnumber the women by something like 55%-45%. However, if you tried to estimate that number based on the nightlife scene, you'd arrive at something like 70%-30%. I think the psychological concept that the essay sites also explains the lack of girls in bars (which, for many guys, is a far more important stat than the population-wide one).
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aswanson将近 16 年前
I remember reading an article posted here awhile back about Zuckerberg and some other young guys being accosted in a bar by a transvestite. I thought, "Geez, only in SF can a straight potential billionaire not get an old-fashioned hetero lap dance."<p>Anecdotal, but I went for a few interviews in that place and it is definitely NOT the place to be for a single straight man in his 20s.
araneae将近 16 年前
Because females are less likely to be entrepreneurs and less likely to be programmers.<p>You don't even need to have a whole blog about it.
awt将近 16 年前
The Lower Peninsula is relatively devoid of Women. San Francisco is not.
dustineichler将近 16 年前
Relationships are a distant priority here, work definitely comes first. Life suffers etc...
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sfphotoarts将近 16 年前
this is complete nonsense, SF is full of very beautiful women. After living here for many years, I'd respectfully disagree with this.<p>The neighborhoods with the highest density (scientifically studied over a lifetime) are The Lower Haight and The Mission.
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jlees将近 16 年前
I enjoyed the HN comments far more than the article itself...<p>For a while now I've been thinking I'd end up in SF or the Valley at some point over the next few years. I can't say dating ratios ever crossed my mind as a reason (not) to go. It doesn't exactly sound fun to be a woman in SF, so I guess I'd better spend more than a couple of weeks there and find out before I commit myself to meat markets and being a rarity...
geebee将近 16 年前
While it's tempting to refer to the "San Francisco Bay Area" as a single cultural/economic entity, it really isn't. The male/female ratios will vary considerably within this region, along with the economic base.<p>I read an article a while back (which I could remember the link) that pointed out that as you move from south to north (ie., from southbay/San Jose to San Francisco), you gradually move from engineering/hard science to software to UI design to marketing/PR. There are major, substantial exceptions, of course, but as a general trend, I think it holds true.<p>As you move from South to North on this continuum, the male/female ratio changes substantially as well. Obviously, the PR, advertising, and design firms in SF have a lot of women working at them. Law firms, especially the ones that are not patent-law oriented, also have a lot of women - as paralegals, secretaries, and lawyers. I'd also guess that there are more fashion/interior decorating type firms in SF than in San Jose (it's not New York, of course, but insofar as the Bay Area has an industry, it'll largely be in SF). SF does have tech/software companies, though I've heard (I can't support this, it's just conjecture) that they tend to be less hardcore tech than the peninsula. The mission bay campus of UCSF may bring a lot of biotech folks to SF - not sure how that will influence things.<p>I've lived in SF, LA, San Diego, and New York. Because I grew up in SF, I don't have as good a sense of what it's like trying to "meet women", since I already had a large social network from high school and so forth. New York was the best (Manhattan) - girls would actually initiate conversations and give me their phone number. LA has lots of beautiful women, and it's a pretty good scene, but some (not all) women seemed to lose interest when they learned I wasn't a part of the entertainment industry (well, I was doing software for post production, but that counts as outside...)<p>San Diego was the absolute worst - the ratio of men to women was so high, and the men were so aggressive, that the women seemed to almost shut down and go into a shell. I learned something here - women don't seem to have as good a time when the ratio gets too favorable for them. It's surprising, but it makes sense. Women actually do like to pursue men, but if they're surrounded by a 3-1 ratio of men to women, and the men are very aggressive, they get hit on ever five minutes by a guy who they aren't interested in, it becomes nearly impossible to "make yourself available." Maybe they see a guy they'd like to meet, but if they appear open to conversation, five other guys will pretty much rush in right away. So they shut down and lose all interest in talking with people, or just stop going out to those bars altogether.<p>Nobody likes a bad ratio, but I've actually found that men and women are happiest closer to a 50-50 ratio.
p_h将近 16 年前
I've never lived in San Francisco, but it's no secret that tech centres like Silicon Valley have very few women. Not only that, but based on these comments it seems like most coders have given up on socializing with women! Surely this must negatively affect the product development of applications meant for the general public.
anigbrowl将近 16 年前
Complete garbage. I is not hard to find an attractive lady in SF for either a date or a longer term relationship. Of course, it helps to be as sexy as I am.<p>Seriously, though, it's not that hard. I usually only hear this complaint from guys who are looking to only date white women or suchlike Given that the city is around 50% Asian these days, one might want to consider branching out. that said, i've dated girls of every ethnicity within the last 15 years, though not since I met the outstandingly lucky * Mrs Browl.<p>* What? She says she's happy about it. Most of the time.
bitwize将近 16 年前
Negative proof by counterexample. I met a girl in SF last month. Therefore, "there are no girls in San Francisco" is false. QED.
sutro将近 16 年前
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