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900 Workers Have Already Died Building Qatar’s World Cup Infrastructure

223 点作者 upwardbound大约 11 年前

16 条评论

ChuckFrank大约 11 年前
Boycott FIFA. Call on the Architects and Engineers to end their working relationships on the projects. This is outrageous. We know better. It can start with Ms. Hadid. Speer the Younger and Arup.<p><a href="http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/25/zaha-hadid-qatar-world-cup-migrant-worker-deaths" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;world&#x2F;2014&#x2F;feb&#x2F;25&#x2F;zaha-hadid-qata...</a><p><a href="http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/german-architect-albert-speer-plans-for-the-2022-world-cup-in-qatar-a-836154.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.spiegel.de&#x2F;international&#x2F;spiegel&#x2F;german-architect...</a><p><a href="http://www.arupassociates.com/en/case-studies/qatar-showcase/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.arupassociates.com&#x2F;en&#x2F;case-studies&#x2F;qatar-showcase...</a>
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rayiner大约 11 年前
Well this is what happens when you have no worker safety regulations and the families of the workers are poor Pakistanis and Bengalis that can&#x27;t file wrongful death lawsuits. America&#x27;s support of countries like Qatar will be remembered in history like our support of the Apartheid regime in South Africa. These countries treat Pakistanis and Bengalis as de facto slaves.
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antonius大约 11 年前
This and news that a Qatari firm paid off one of the top FIFA officials for votes during bidding for the World Cup doesn&#x27;t help Qatar&#x27;s image going forward. [1]<p>[1] <a href="http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/mar/18/jack-warner-fifa-world-cup-2022-payment-allegations" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;football&#x2F;2014&#x2F;mar&#x2F;18&#x2F;jack-warner-...</a>
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rkalla大约 11 年前
Just to put this in perspective, Qatar won the bid in Dec of 2010 -- they are _literally_ killing 1 worker a day building this.<p>I spent some time in Dubai and Abu Dhabi and saw this &quot;big money, big building&quot; craze first hand... it truly is modern day slave labor. No more thought is put into the migrant workers than you would an extra shovel, concrete or tile - they are a resource to expend during construction. The locals don&#x27;t see them as human, just building material.
pasbesoin大约 11 年前
I refuse to have anything more to do with professional sports. That includes the &quot;professional level&quot; university sports. (And -- I am reminded of their recent, latest round -- the Olympics.)<p>I&#x27;m just one person, but for my part I won&#x27;t reward nor contribute towards such behavior.<p>The next step, I hope, is in my country to strip such institutions of their tax breaks and tax exempt status. And the perpetually extorted... &quot;public construction funds&quot; for new stadiums and such nonsense.<p>I&#x27;ve quite enjoyed playing sports, and I don&#x27;t begrudge the role of the spectator. But current circumstances have become extremely distorting; this extends to the IP lobbying that continues to hamstring technical developments around media and connectivity.
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yeukhon大约 11 年前
Before we look at 2022, just look at 2014&#x27;s World Cup.<p>It is known that the Brazilian government is still behind their schedule delivering stadiums and basic infrastructure.<p>Personally, I am proud to say the new NYC Mayor has made an excellent decision not bidding Winter Olympics (<a href="http://theweek.com/article/index/256746/hosting-the-olympics-in-new-york-city-is-a-terrible-idea" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;theweek.com&#x2F;article&#x2F;index&#x2F;256746&#x2F;hosting-the-olympics...</a>). Multi-years of preparations before and after selection is going to take away energy focusing on real domestic-city-wide issues.<p>The Beijing 2008 Olympics was a great success given the amount of new stadiums and infrastructure added. Though the main stadium (Bird Net) was officially, completely finished sometime around March 2008. London&#x27;s main stadium was completed in 2011 and under budget. Clearly if the government really care about the event, they will everything to stop corruption and prevent delays. I don&#x27;t know anything about Brazil&#x27;s local politic, but press has been criticizing Brazil government its poor coordination and corruption.
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trendoid大约 11 年前
Vice did a documentary on similar shit happening in Dubai : <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMh-vlQwrmU" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=gMh-vlQwrmU</a><p>There are so many issues occupying the world currently that I doubt anyone from governments will raise an eyebrow for &#x27;just 900 deaths over 2 years&#x27;.
tzs大约 11 年前
It&#x27;s hard to figure out how bad this is because they don&#x27;t give enough information about the other projects they compare to.<p>For instance, they compare to 25 construction worker deaths when preparing Sochi for the 2014 Winter Olympics. As far as I have been able to find with some Googling, Sochi officially involved 74000 construction workers, but an advocacy group for migrant workers says that there were around another 50000 working without permits. Let&#x27;s take the high figure, and that gives us 1 death per 5000 workers.<p>So given 1.2 million migrant workers in Qatar, then if they were as safe as Sochi workers, we&#x27;d expect 240 deaths, so 900 does indeed look like it indicates they have some major safety problems.<p>The comparison to 11 who died during the Golden Gate Bridge construction seems pretty worthless. The FAQ at goldengatebridge.org says it was built by 10 prime contractors and the subcontractors, but also that they don&#x27;t have any employment records from any of them so can&#x27;t say how many workers were involved. It&#x27;s also not a good project for comparison because it actually only had two fatal accidents. The first killed one man. The second killed 10 men, when a scaffold failed and the safety net did not catch them.<p>Up until that point, the project had set a record for remarkable safety. The norm for that kind of project was about one death per million dollars of construction, so getting that far with only one death was amazing, and even with all 11, I think they came in quite low. It was a $30 million project, so 30 deaths would have been normal. At that death rate, taking into account inflation, a project the size of the Qatar FIFA project would have, if safety was comparable to typical bridge projects at the time the Golden Gate was built, about 5000 deaths total for the project--which is close to what the article says they are looking at. However, bridge work is, I think, inherently more dangerous than much of the FIFA infrastructure work, and I&#x27;d hope bridge work today is more safe than bridge work was when the Golden Gate was built, so this is consistent with the Sochi comparison. Qatar does indeed to be doing something very wrong.<p>Conclusion: something very bad is indeed happening in Qatar.
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jamespitts大约 11 年前
Forget asking Qatar to kill fewer people, etc. The world should simply force Qatar to withdraw.<p>Any number of countries have the infrastructure to support the event and would be happy to do so without resorting to quasi-slavery.
brianmwaters_hn大约 11 年前
For me, every work day starts by strapping on a pair of steel-toed boots and a hard hat, climbing high up some steel structure (usually hundreds of feet), building an anchor, and rappelling in to get done whatever needs gettin&#x27; done. I think this gives me a different perspective on matters of industrial safety than the typical Hacker News poster.<p>Granted, I have never worked in a developing country; neither have I worked in the United States in the 1930&#x27;s.<p>The culture of industrial safety in the United Sates is... interesting, to say the least. The squeeze for productivity is there for sure, and it sometimes flies in the face of every employer&#x27;s claim that &quot;safety is our number one priority.&quot;<p>This puts the worker square in the middle of the predicament. Pressure, culture, and, sometimes, a lack of training and equipment creates the worker who is less-than-dilligent about their own safety. Then, when something does go wrong, whether it&#x27;s a real accident, a &quot;near miss,&quot; or just a &quot;violation&quot; that could have escalated but did not, the worker is blamed. Disciplinary action and firings are commonly heard about. This happens because the employer gets to point to &quot;safety first,&quot; loads of policy, and their entire (huge) HSE department, while ignoring the fact that the worker was under pressure, mired in a culture of others behaving exactly the same, and, sometimes, poorly trained.<p>I&#x27;m talking about the United States in 2014, where we benefit from a history of labor unions, modern government regulations, two centuries of industrial experience, incredible technology, and a legal environment that scares the pants off every employer.<p>I cannot imagine what these migrant workers in developing countries are going through. Given the safety statistics we&#x27;ve seen here, can you imagine what the day-to-day grind is like?
trhway大约 11 年前
compare to that, Russia starts to look almost like civilized country. Some displaced people, some unpaid salaries, nothing serious :)<p><a href="http://www.bwint.org/default.asp?Index=5192&amp;Language=EN" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bwint.org&#x2F;default.asp?Index=5192&amp;Language=EN</a>
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joesmo大约 11 年前
&quot;The world is a place rich in natural beauty and cultural diversity, but also one where many are still deprived of their basic rights. FIFA now has an even greater responsibility to reach out and touch the world, using football as a symbol of hope and integration.&quot; -- FIFA Mission Statement (<a href="http://www.fifa.com/aboutfifa/organisation/mission.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.fifa.com&#x2F;aboutfifa&#x2F;organisation&#x2F;mission.html</a>)<p>Slavery in this region is nothing new and this choice is abominable on FIFA&#x27;s part. This type of treatment is endemic in the region including the UAE. In an organization that supposedly promotes equality, Qatar and other such nations should not even be allowed to participate or be members of FIFA. I suppose money talks loudest, however, mission statement be damned. Not to mention the &quot;mistake&quot; acknowledged by FIFA&#x27;s president already of scheduling the world cup in a country whose average temperatures in June is 81 - 106 degrees Fahrenheit. (<a href="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/soccer/news/20130909/2022-qatar-world-cup-mistake-sepp-blatter-winter/?sct=obnetwork" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;sportsillustrated.cnn.com&#x2F;soccer&#x2F;news&#x2F;20130909&#x2F;2022-q...</a>)
TheMagicHorsey大约 11 年前
You can get away with a lot of shit if you hold the keys to some petroleum.
jonalmeida大约 11 年前
There are several similar stories of people not being able to leave the country, or life threatening situations like this in Dubai. It&#x27;s a very similar case there as well with expatriate workers.
gregschlom大约 11 年前
It&#x27;s a tragic story, but it doesn&#x27;t seem a good fit for HN. This is the sort of story that major media outlets should be reporting, and there&#x27;s no technology angle.
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bertil大约 11 年前
The question was asked on a different thread earlier today, and I think it deserves asking here too:<p>What does this has to do on Hacker News?<p>Both articles are about groups are the lagging edge of development; both groups are made exclusively of one gender (although, unsurprising, only the other one used that aspect to hammer victimisation). Both issues are connected to an existing hardware technology that could be, but is not of interest to HN.<p>I read that kind of article (both) in my daily rotation outside of HN, so I don’t mind -- but I was wondering if HN commenters had felt the parallel, and would have reacted the same way on both.
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