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Mt. Gox Finds 200,000 Missing Bitcoins

278 点作者 byoogle大约 11 年前

37 条评论

antonius大约 11 年前
In case paywall is blocking the text:<p><i>TOKYO—Major bitcoin exchange Mt. Gox announced Thursday it had discovered 200,000 missing bitcoins in a wallet that the company no longer uses, reducing the total number of bitcoins still missing to 650,000 from 850,000.<p>&quot;We believed there were no bitcoins left in old wallets, but found 199,999.99 bitcoins on March 7,&quot; Mt. Gox chief executive Mark Karpelès said in a document released Thursday.<p>Mt. Gox said it reported the discovery of the bitcoins to its lawyers on March 8, and moved the discovered bitcoins to offline storage between the March 14 and 15.<p>The exchange filed for court protection on Feb. 28. At the time, Mr Karpeles told a news conference it had lost 750,000 bitcoins owned by users and 100,000 held by the company, citing the possibility the bitcoins had been withdrawn without authorization.<p>The exchange was shut down Feb. 25. </i>
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lkrubner大约 11 年前
I am borderline speechless in the face of the incomprehensible carelessness. The lack of records is amazing. The lack of accounting is amazing. The lack of professional standards is amazing. The lack of common sense is amazing.<p>If you&#x27;ll excuse me, I have to go to the bank. I just realized that I left a million dollars in the pockets of the jeans that I just washed. I suppose I should dry them out and deposit them, along with the $100,000 I just found fallen between then cushions of my couch.
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FatalLogic大约 11 年前
Although it&#x27;s taken Mt. Gox two weeks to report this, amazingly, it was public knowledge as soon as it happened on March 7&#x2F;8, because the movement of over $100,000,000 was instantly visible on the public Blockchain. Reddit noticed it immediately: <a href="http://redd.it/1zshct" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;redd.it&#x2F;1zshct</a><p>Most of it was in this transaction of 180,000 bitcoins -<p><a href="https://blockchain.info/tx/4ee89f7cf824a85ad5f11d52604ffdebe9f01302bcea8ddec0af450f9185ddf1" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blockchain.info&#x2F;tx&#x2F;4ee89f7cf824a85ad5f11d52604ffdebe...</a><p>From that evidence alone, it wasn&#x27;t clear who had control of the money. Mt. Gox, or a hacker, but the Mt.Gox API was still up, and the API confirmed that this was a Mt.Gox-controlled transaction. Reddit saw that, too: <a href="http://redd.it/1zswul" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;redd.it&#x2F;1zswul</a>
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dperfect大约 11 年前
Many people are expressing surprise by the events that have unfolded here with Mark Karpeles and Mt. Gox, but I&#x27;m not surprised in the least.<p>I&#x27;ve known several web developer &quot;enthusiasts&quot; over the years who know just enough PHP (usually it&#x27;s PHP, but this applies to other technologies as well) to build things that <i>mostly work</i> and feel confident that they can solve anything with &quot;a little PHP.&quot; Working mostly alone, these people prefer to spend their time building constantly, and little time learning or keeping up with current best practices (or in this case, cryptography).<p>There are a large number of companies (many of them doing very well) built by people like this, and even when they bring on other developers, no one has the courage to tell the original developer (who is often CEO) that their code sucks and needs to be scrapped completely. They keep throwing more crap onto the pile because the machine &quot;works&quot; and customers are demanding new features. The original (incompetent) developer feels a sense of pride for his or her work, and nothing short of <i>total failure</i> (in this case, spectacular failure) will convince them that their work is anything less than genius.<p>It&#x27;s unfortunate that some companies thrive in situations like this (it sets them up for failure), but it happens all the time.<p>I don&#x27;t know Mark personally, but from everything I&#x27;ve read from him over the years, he seems to fit the description above. It doesn&#x27;t necessarily mean he&#x27;s a terrible person or a thief (he could be that as well, but I have no knowledge to prove one way or the other). It just means he got in over his head, and kept the site running on deeply flawed assumptions and implementations (e.g., no standard accounting, little understanding of security, etc). It&#x27;s a shame that people kept coming back to Mt. Gox and entrusted the site with their money, even after those behind Mt. Gox proved themselves to be incompetent <i>over and over again</i>.<p>Is it sad? Yes. Is it surprising? The only surprising thing is how people <i>kept going back</i>.<p>As for the missing and suddenly reappearing coins, I honestly think they just had absolutely no idea where everything was. I&#x27;ve heard people describe Mt. Gox&#x27;s infrastructure as a hodgepodge of random scripts and servers duct-taped together, and it&#x27;s easy to imagine a dozen hard drives filled with an unorganized mess of Bitcoin wallets, private keys, database dumps, etc. I believe they&#x27;re honestly trying to pick up the pieces, but the pieces are scattered everywhere.
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sillysaurus3大约 11 年前
It seems unlikely that Karpeles randomly stumbled across 200,000 missing bitcoins. It seems at least plausible that he attempted to steal them and is now backpedaling since people aren&#x27;t buying his malleability story.<p>This is the first ray of hope regarding customers recovering any of their missing bitcoin though.
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mrb大约 11 年前
FWIW, no paywall: <a href="https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&amp;rct=j&amp;q=&amp;esrc=s&amp;source=web&amp;cd=1&amp;cad=rja&amp;uact=8&amp;ved=0CC0QqQIwAA&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB10001424052702303802104579452062699281046.html&amp;ei=iLArU630DpbmoASEtQI&amp;usg=AFQjCNE_4tYG_o0DALZLIwnVrkpq_3ewoQ&amp;sig2=fITbQe8Rn1zsQLeWxMSlwg&amp;bvm=bv.63316862,d.cGU" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.google.com&#x2F;url?sa=t&amp;rct=j&amp;q=&amp;esrc=s&amp;source=web&amp;c...</a>
gumballhead大约 11 年前
That lends some more plausibility to this theory: <a href="http://chrispacia.wordpress.com/2014/02/28/this-is-what-most-likely-happened-to-mtgox/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;chrispacia.wordpress.com&#x2F;2014&#x2F;02&#x2F;28&#x2F;this-is-what-most...</a>
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oznathan大约 11 年前
Their official announcement is even more ridiculous. <a href="https://www.mtgox.com/img/pdf/20140320-btc-announce.pdf" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.mtgox.com&#x2F;img&#x2F;pdf&#x2F;20140320-btc-announce.pdf</a><p>The have more coins and there is evidence for that in the blockchain. Many people know about that for weeks. After they figured people were on to them they released this lie.<p>Nobody just forgets about 200,000 btc.
downandout大约 11 年前
&quot;Oh there&#x27;s that $116 million I was looking for!&quot;. I suppose that given the level of incompetence and&#x2F;or malfeasance at Mt.Gox, this shouldn&#x27;t be that suprising. What is actually more surprising is that they ever became the primary BTC exchange in the first place.<p>I first wrote them off as a scam years ago when I read a Bitcointalk thread wherein Gox tried to explain away their aggressive &quot;tainted&quot; coin confiscation policy. They essentially explained that they were confiscating all coins that they deemed to be tied to theft or illegal activity at any point in the blockchain - in their sole discretion. Yet somehow, with that and many more very public red flags, they just kept growing.
fuddle大约 11 年前
MtGox: We lost all the coins! We have no idea were they are...<p>Random person: Have you tried looking in your wallet?<p>MtGox: Found it!
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riffraff大约 11 年前
I would suggest people to try to avoid the &quot;regulation = 1% bailouts&quot; equation.<p>It would be more useful to think of regulation for bitcoin actors more in the sense of required car insurance, or not being allowed to sell food with poisonous chemicals in it.<p>There can be a certain amount of regulation that helps avoiding incompetent or fraudolent actors even without a money-emitting FED or a socialize-losses-privatize-gains government.
Scorponok大约 11 年前
Every new story about this makes Mt. Gox look worse. Now they&#x27;re not even competent enough to steal them or have them stolen, they just <i>lost</i> a hundred million dollars?
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salgernon大约 11 年前
Since they are in receivership, what will happen when the adjudicator liquidates th to pay off debts? What will happen to the exchange rate when these get dumped on the market?
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heinrich5991大约 11 年前
Can someone post a full version of the article? I only get the first two lines...
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NicoJuicy大约 11 年前
Old trick, giving customers false hope: <a href="http://cryptopic.tumblr.com/post/80210959301/cryptopic-003" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;cryptopic.tumblr.com&#x2F;post&#x2F;80210959301&#x2F;cryptopic-003</a>
roberjo大约 11 年前
Just like finding a $20 in your laundry!
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davyjones大约 11 年前
All of us who look down upon Accountants take a hard look in the mirror (I am one of them who used to). Most of us are like...&quot;meh...its just +&#x27;s and -&#x27;s with some tax component here and there, how hard can it be. I will get to it when I get to it.&quot;<p>Turns out all those tough exams and practices are in place to mitigate this exact scenario.<p>The above assuming no malicious intent on part of MtGox and the recent revelation was pure stupidity.
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jeffdavis大约 11 年前
Imagine telling this story to someone that time travelled from the time Magic: The Gathering first appeared in the mid-nineties.<p>MtGox: &quot;Funny story ... internet ... website to trade Magic cards ... digital currency ... so that&#x27;s how we found the $100,000,000 that we accidentally misplaced. Still looking for the other $300,000,000 or so -- must be around here someplace.&quot;
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coreymgilmore大约 11 年前
This story keeps getting more ridiculous. First, Gox loses a huge amount of BTC...now all of a sudden they have found some of it?<p>I assume this wasn&#x27;t stolen and isn&#x27;t already in the blockchain somehow. I do not believe that Gox was this blind to the problem in their systems. Something seems very, very fishy about this.
doktrin大约 11 年前
This might as well be a comedy sketch. Can someone explain how this is even remotely possible?
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matt__rose大约 11 年前
Let me guess, they were under the couch cushions, with some Lego pieces and stale Cheetos.
wellboy大约 11 年前
This is what happens when you only have contractors in your company and no one with equity. No one cares about the business and the founder ends up with 87% equity of nothing.
pilif大约 11 年前
Being limited to reading the first paragraph of the linked article (paywall) and the other comments here, I can&#x27;t resist to point out for those Pratchett fans among us, that this feels like the stunt Moist von Lipwig pulled in &quot;Going Postal&quot; in order to pay for the reconstruction of the post office.<p>While I feel really bad for those who lost money with MtGox, there were so many signs pointing at such an outcome: Unexperienced programmer asking all the wrong questions, background in &quot;Magic the Gathering&quot; card trading, zero background in banking or security.<p>None of that sounded particularly trustworthy and look where it went.
cl8ton大约 11 年前
In other shocking news it was also revealed by MtGox the first 100k BTC in the old wallet were actually the ones owned by MtGox and were thought stolen.
dholowiski大约 11 年前
Sadly, I would have to pay $1 a week for 12 weeks to read the story. I think it would probably be old news by then.
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llamataboot大约 11 年前
Hold on. They just LOST over 100 million dollars? Give me back my 5 bitcoins now!
easy_rider大约 11 年前
These amounts are lost all the time in governments in conventional currency..
Siecje大约 11 年前
How were you able to trigger the double spend on mtgox anyways?
anigbrowl大约 11 年前
Never mind that, where do I get one of those big sofas?
ebbv大约 11 年前
I can&#x27;t help laughing at all this shit. I was saying for years people shouldn&#x27;t be trusting their money to Mt Gox, and constantly got mocked for it. Common sense wins again.
elwell大约 11 年前
Current market value of about $116M. Wow.
cjunky大约 11 年前
Anyone that believes they &quot;simply found&quot; those coins should PM me about a bridge I have for sale.
jheriko大约 11 年前
any versions of this article that i don&#x27;t have to pay for?
zobzu大约 11 年前
loginwalled article.
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aceperry大约 11 年前
Great jokes, keep them coming! :-)
jokoon大约 11 年前
bitcoin advertising and promoting operation: success !
mantrax大约 11 年前
I actually envy Mark Karpeles&#x27; ability to not give a fuck throughout this whole situation.<p>In fact, I think it&#x27;s some sort of super power.
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