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Obama to Call for End to N.S.A.’s Bulk Data Collection

147 点作者 samdk大约 11 年前

25 条评论

intslack大约 11 年前
Note that there are two proposals here, much like good cop (Obama Administration) and bad cop (House Intelligence Committee[1]), but both leave broader §215 authority intact i.e. business records not to mention §702 and Upstream collection.<p>Both also seem to be attempting to reinstate the full Telephony Activity Detection Process which they haven&#x27;t been able to do legally since 2009[2][3] due to alert abuses[4].<p>[1] <a href="http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303949704579459823138066260" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;online.wsj.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;articles&#x2F;SB1000142405270230394970...</a><p>[2] <a href="http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/12/the-national-security-agencys-oversharing-problem/2/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;arstechnica.com&#x2F;information-technology&#x2F;2013&#x2F;12&#x2F;the-na...</a><p>[3] <a href="http://www.emptywheel.net/2014/03/24/nsa-bids-to-expand-spying-in-guise-of-fixing-phone-dragnet/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.emptywheel.net&#x2F;2014&#x2F;03&#x2F;24&#x2F;nsa-bids-to-expand-spyi...</a><p>[4] <a href="http://www.emptywheel.net/2014/01/23/how-nsa-spies-on-first-amendment-protected-speech-the-eo-12333-loophole/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.emptywheel.net&#x2F;2014&#x2F;01&#x2F;23&#x2F;how-nsa-spies-on-first-...</a>
aryastark大约 11 年前
<i>call</i> records? Are you shitting me? The White House is acting like Grandpa trying to wrap his mind around the concept of the Internet. &quot;overhaul&quot;, &quot;new kind of court order&quot;. Yeah, okay.<p>Here&#x27;s the broom, Obama. Need a little help sweeping it all under the rug?
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Pxtl大约 11 年前
You ever notice how President Obama acts like he&#x27;s nt in charge of the government? The whole &quot;outsider&quot; schtick doesn&#x27;t really work 6 years into your Presidency.
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late2part大约 11 年前
Watch this very carefully. I predict that this purported effort to curb bad behavior will in fact attempt to legitimize the very bad behavior most of us find contemptable. Having shined the spotlight on the really bad behavior, I predict this administration will then find an only half-bad solution to tout as a compromise.<p><a href="http://www.al-ruh.org/hegelian.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.al-ruh.org&#x2F;hegelian.html</a>
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dmfdmf大约 11 年前
We don&#x27;t need a law. These programs are a violation of the constitution. What Obama and his cronies are trying to establish is the govt&#x27;s unlimited power of surveillance. If this passes then it implicitly accepts the premise that their policies could be legalized at anytime by a future president under future &quot;national interest&quot; circumstances. This is how dictators are established.
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aaronharnly大约 11 年前
I think this proposal is a real and considerable improvement in the national security apparatus. For which we have Snowden&#x27;s revelations sparking of a national conversation to thank.<p>Recall Snowden&#x27;s original statement [1]:<p>&quot;these things need to be determined by the public and not by somebody who was simply hired by the government.&quot;<p>The information changed public opinion[2]:<p>&quot;[In January 2014], 40% approve of the government’s collection of telephone and internet data as part of anti-terrorism efforts, while 53% disapprove. In July [2013], more Americans approved (50%) than disapproved (44%) of the program.&quot;<p>[1] <a href="http://www.policymic.com/articles/47355/edward-snowden-interview-transcript-full-text-read-the-guardian-s-entire-interview-with-the-man-who-leaked-prism" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.policymic.com&#x2F;articles&#x2F;47355&#x2F;edward-snowden-inter...</a><p>[2] <a href="http://www.people-press.org/2014/01/20/obamas-nsa-speech-has-little-impact-on-skeptical-public/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.people-press.org&#x2F;2014&#x2F;01&#x2F;20&#x2F;obamas-nsa-speech-has...</a>
bertil大约 11 年前
A lot of reactions to Obama’s decisions seem to remember that he was the guy on the <i>Hope</i> posters, but not that he was the guy who told PolSci majors how politics was heart-wrangling, soul-blackening compromises, all the time -- and that you needed to keep the eye on the bigger prize, because you’d have to sacrifice everything just under it.<p>Obama promised to save tens of thousands how American lives (and ten times as many Middle-Eastern) and the budget by scaling down physical operations. To do that, he had to grant the intelligence and military personnel everything else, if only to avoid a coup. I hate the compromise, but I can’t imagine making a different choice.<p>Yes, that appears to be extremely disappointing, but more than actual deescalation of the surveillance apparatus, what he is working on is to make the Intelligence community realise that they went too far, and that the fact that Snowden could get so much information was a problem in itself. You don’t tear things away from people when you want them to contrite, not significantly: that comes later. Right now, most people in that community want to drop a Hellfire on the guy: saying he was right to do what he did, and to follow his recommendation would be akin, for the US operatives, to have the US adopt Sharia law on Christmas 2001 because Ben Laden asked for it.<p>Give them time.<p>Show a guy who is articulate, considerate and criticise his actions ‘but his ideals where not far off…’; show how targeted collection help keeping focus, show how judicially-sound investigations help avoiding mistakes… The NSA will feel confident to take off the side-wheels (still ‘protect the Homeland’ without the all-access) but that’s later, alas.
ChrisAntaki大约 11 年前
Cool! What about the <i>content</i> [1] of emails, text messages, Skype conferences, etc...<p>[1] <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Room_641A</a>
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fleitz大约 11 年前
It&#x27;s interesting that a program which the NSA&#x27;s director claimed to congress didn&#x27;t even exist, which was created by the executive branch requires the legislative branch to terminate it.<p>I&#x27;m pretty sure this could be solved by executive order, and&#x2F;or the DOJ filing with the petitioning the SCOTUS to rule it unconstitutional.
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sinak大约 11 年前
So according to the report, Obama is going to propose legislation that:<p>- Would end the NSA&#x27;s authorization to collect bulk call records from telephony providers under §215.<p>- Would require the NSA to require court approval prior to every §215 call record request. Up to 2 hops worth of call records would be included.<p>- Won&#x27;t require that telecoms maintain anything more than the 18 months of call records that they are already obliged to hold.<p>The devil&#x27;s in the details, but it sounds like a big change from the existing call records program. If Congress passes something along these lines, it&#x27;d be a major win.<p>But the §215 call records program is just a very small component of the objectionable surveillance programs. Here&#x27;s just a sampling of the others:<p>&quot;Upstream&quot; collection: The sort of thing that happens in AT&amp;T&#x27;s Room 641A - fiber optic cables intercepted, data captured (under program names Fairview, Blarney, Stormbrew, Oakstar). Auth&#x27;d under Executive Order 12333 and the various FISA laws [1]. Searched using the XKEYSCORE frontend. GCHQ has similar program called Tempora which the NSA has access to.<p>MUSCULAR: Jointly run by GCHQ and NSA, collects data as it passes between the backend servers of services like Yahoo and Google. [2]<p>PRISM: Auth&#x27;d under §702, allows NSA to request data from tech companies about anyone who might be &quot;reasonably believed&quot; to be outside the US.<p>BULLRUN: Various efforts to break encryption, including attempts to insert vulnerabilities into encryption standards. Snowden&#x27;s security clearance wasn&#x27;t high enough to get any real details on exactly what the NSA has achieved as part of BULLRUN [4].<p>I think the scariest of those is Bullrun. We don&#x27;t (and likely won&#x27;t) know to what degree the NSA has managed to break or circumvent encryption [5].<p>[1] <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upstream_collection" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Upstream_collection</a><p>[2] <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/nsa-infiltrates-links-to-yahoo-google-data-centers-worldwide-snowden-documents-say/2013/10/30/e51d661e-4166-11e3-8b74-d89d714ca4dd_story.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.washingtonpost.com&#x2F;world&#x2F;national-security&#x2F;nsa-in...</a><p>[3] <a href="http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/jun/21/gchq-cables-secret-world-communications-nsa" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;uk&#x2F;2013&#x2F;jun&#x2F;21&#x2F;gchq-cables-secret...</a><p>[4] <a href="http://www.eweek.com/blogs/security-watch/nsa-bullrun-911-and-why-enterprises-should-walk-before-they-run.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.eweek.com&#x2F;blogs&#x2F;security-watch&#x2F;nsa-bullrun-911-an...</a><p>[5] <a href="https://twitter.com/nicoleperlroth/status/376481848760606720" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;nicoleperlroth&#x2F;status&#x2F;376481848760606720</a>
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line-zero大约 11 年前
It&#x27;s not enough.<p>Don&#x27;t &quot;curb&quot; the program. Don&#x27;t &quot;reform&quot; it. We&#x27;re not interested in a fucking &quot;debate.&quot; Or striking a &quot;balance.&quot;<p>END IT. END IT NOW!<p>GIVE US BACK OUR GOD-DAMNED RIGHTS!!
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drawkbox大约 11 年前
Try all we want, we can&#x27;t get back from this one. Once freedoms are gone, they are gone until revolution. That is why freedom&#x2F;privacy issues you need to be overly cautious about and side with non-authority always to keep it in check.
tn13大约 11 年前
There is not need to be happy unless you read the real details of the legislation. I have a feeling that this is going to be mostly a carrot and stick like policy.
exabrial大约 11 年前
Obama is a two faced back stabbing bus tosser. He had full knowledge of the program from the beginning. Stop falling for this crap, he is the one that commissioned the original program, and he is sending his own men to slaughter to protect his own hindquarters. He is the worst kind of sleezebag that exists...<p>Stop accepting these excuses from the leader of &#x27;the most powerful nation on earth&#x27; and HOLD OBAMA ACCOUNTABLE.
HashThis大约 11 年前
Obama can ask to curb or limit the NSA. But the NSA will tell him &#x27;no&#x27;.
blisterpeanuts大约 11 年前
This feels like a diversionary tactic to me, a way to lull the general public while allowing the real bulk data collection to continue unhindered.<p>The only truly meaningful action the President can take would be to suspend all operations of the NSA for an indefinite time and furlough the staff, while a thorough review is conducted and a public debate is held as to how much intrusion should be tolerated.
Sae5waip大约 11 年前
And only for domestic spying.<p>People that aren&#x27;t US citizens still get no protection at all.
dantheman大约 11 年前
&quot;In a speech in January, President Obama said he wanted to get the N.S.A. out of the business of collecting call records in bulk while preserving the program’s abilities. He acknowledged, however, that there was no easy way to do so, and had instructed Justice Department and intelligence officials to come up with a plan by March 28 — Friday — when the current court order authorizing the program expires.&quot;<p>I don&#x27;t see how you can maintain the programs abilities without giving it massive amounts of data - seems like someone is lying.
patkai大约 11 年前
Remember what Churchill said about the USA? Something like &quot;The USA invariable does the right thing, after having exhausted any other alternative&quot;.
michaelwww大约 11 年前
Too little too late. When are the Democrats going to realize -- and I am a Democratic leaning Independent -- that their custodial control of the most extensive surveillance mechanism in the history of the planet is objectionable to the people like me who would normally support them.
shmerl大约 11 年前
What about Internet traffic?
morbius大约 11 年前
Unfortunately, I was paywalled.
dsr_大约 11 年前
President Obama can&#x27;t issue an executive order in the meantime?
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ruttiger大约 11 年前
Everyone prepared for disappointment?
ryguytilidie大约 11 年前
I&#x27;m glad he was careful to clarify that he would only try to end one of their many unconstitutional programs. Bravo for the man we all hoped would &quot;change&quot; things. More of the fucking same.