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NSA blows its own top secret program in order to propagandize

225 点作者 danielsiders大约 11 年前

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mcphilip大约 11 年前
There are some real gems in that LAT piece that Greenwald labels as propaganda[1]:<p>&gt;What the Church and Pike committees found&quot; nearly 40 years ago was &quot;that people were doing things that were wrong. That&#x27;s not happening here,&quot; Alexander said.<p>The particular definition of wrong used by Alexander would be interesting to know.<p>&gt;&quot;When you&#x27;re the good guy and you&#x27;re on the side of truth and democracy and the American way, anything that is an impediment to you is naturally bad and needs to be overcome, even if it&#x27;s the law,&quot; German said.<p>Apparently the ability to have private communication digitally is one such annoying impediment.<p>&gt;Now, Russian ground commanders and Al Qaeda cell leaders are on notice that the NSA is nearly everywhere.<p>Those evil Russian ground commanders... One tip for the author of this piece: Snowden leaks enabling child pornographers to avoid surveillance would be a much more effective appeal to emotion than a topical example like renewed fears of Russian aggression that risk fading from the zeitgeist soon!<p>[1]<a href="http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-alexander-nsa-20140331,0,3369988,full.story#vcomment" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.latimes.com&#x2F;nation&#x2F;la-na-alexander-nsa-20140331,0...</a>
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minimax大约 11 年前
<i>John “Chris” Inglis just revealed to the world that the NSA was–is?–intercepting every single email, text message, and phone-location signal in real time for the entire country of Iraq. Obviously, the fact that the NSA has this capability, and used it, is Top Secret. What authority did Chris Inglis have to disclose this?</i><p>This capability in Iraq had already been publicly disclosed. It&#x27;s detailed in Bob Woodward&#x27;s 2011 book, &quot;Obama&#x27;s Wars&quot;. Search for &quot;RTRG&quot; in the excerpt.† It isn&#x27;t clear who disclosed the program to Woodward, but I think it&#x27;s pretty clear they wanted the capability to counter the (very real) IED threat in Iraq. It actually sounds pretty reasonable and not so Orwellian in that context.<p>† <a href="http://books.simonandschuster.com/Obamas-Wars/Bob-Woodward/9781439172506/excerpt" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;books.simonandschuster.com&#x2F;Obamas-Wars&#x2F;Bob-Woodward&#x2F;9...</a>
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mef大约 11 年前
The thrust of this article seems to hinge on the apparent contradiction of Gen. Keith Alexander saying that Snowden leaks jeopardize lives while at the same time the published revelation (sourced from the NSA) that there exists secret NSA operation to monitor communications in Iraq.<p>It seems that this mischaracterizes what Gen. Alexander says in the linked article.<p>In that article he says that there is a possibility that some of the information Snowden may or may not have leaked to the press (and which might be published in the future) could cost people their lives. Not that any secret information about NSA operations will cost people their lives. So, a bit cynical perhaps as he&#x27;s basically saying only the NSA can make the judgement call about what information is &quot;safe&quot; to leak (thus avoiding accountability,) but this isn&#x27;t really a contradiction.<p>A larger issue one might take with Alexander&#x27;s words is that Snowden only sent the information to media organizations; it&#x27;s up to them what and how much to publish. The NSA could attempt to protect lives that are at stake by offering feedback to these news organizations about Snowden leak stories before they&#x27;re published to let them know which specific parts, if published, might endanger lives.
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digitalengineer大约 11 年前
Is PSYOP illegal against your own citizens? It sure sounds like that…<p><i>Psychological operations (PSYOP) are planned operations to convey selected information and indicators to audiences to influence their emotions, motives, objective reasoning, and ultimately the behavior of governments, organizations, groups, and individuals.<p>The purpose of psychological operations is to induce or reinforce behavior favorable to US objectives. They are an important part of the range of diplomatic, informational, military, and economic activities available to the US. They can be utilized during both peacetime and conflict.</i><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_Operations_(United_States)" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Psychological_Operations_(Unite...</a>
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graedus大约 11 年前
Interesting move. Presumably, it&#x27;s preferable to the NSA to let everyone know MYSTIC was implemented in Iraq, rather than deal with the (further) increased mistrust that might arise from suspicions that it was used on e.g. some European ally.<p>Iraq and Afghanistan were my top guesses.
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orthecreedence大约 11 年前
I&#x27;ve held the theory for a while that drone strikes create more terrorists than they kill (and that the US govt knows this). Nice to see others are observing the same.
dTal大约 11 年前
Same story, different day, only last time they tried to pin their own leak on Snowden:<p><a href="http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/aug/23/uk-government-independent-military-base" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;commentisfree&#x2F;2013&#x2F;aug&#x2F;23&#x2F;uk-gove...</a>
jhdkjqhkjqhwk大约 11 年前
&gt; make available every .. phone-location signal in real time<p>And yet targetted strikes intended to take out key military targets based on high-quality intelligence still took out hospitals and schools. Hmm.
eternalban大约 11 年前
What is the proof that Snowden is not in fact a means to disclosing what the State felt the plebs needed to know about the communication systems?
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