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US burns through all high-skill visas for 2015 in less than a week

189 点作者 sbashyal大约 11 年前

25 条评论

tokenadult大约 11 年前
What is that makes the United States such an attractive place to immigrate to for people whose skill sets could take them almost anywhere in the world? (In other words, why is that successive sessions of Congress can basically count on lots of people desiring to live in the United States, thus setting up an environment in which immigration regulation is restrictive rather than open?)<p>(I&#x27;m genuinely curious about this, as an American who has lived overseas--with the proper visas of course--for three years in the 1980s and for three years spanning the turn of the last century. I&#x27;ve only lived long-term in one other country, so I still could learn a lot more from all of you who participate here on HN about why people leave their country of birth, which is surely disruptive, to go to another country to live. What&#x27;s the big deal about living in the United States?)
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fsk大约 11 年前
They really should call them &quot;indentured servant slave visas&quot;. The H1-B visa holder has to leave the country if he gets fired (and doesn&#x27;t find a new employer quickly), and if he switches jobs the green card process has to start over.<p>Because the H1-B visa employee is legally bound to the job, he becomes more attractive than hiring a US citizen, (assuming equal salary and qualification).
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nairteashop大约 11 年前
Does anyone know why the number of visas isn&#x27;t capped on a per-company basis?<p>Last year, apparently 40,000 of the 85,000 available visas went to outsourcing companies, and one outsourcing company, Cognizant, got 9,000 visas!<p><a href="http://www.npr.org/blogs/alltechconsidered/2013/04/03/176134694/Whos-Hiring-H1-B-Visa-Workers-Its-Not-Who-You-Might-Think" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.npr.org&#x2F;blogs&#x2F;alltechconsidered&#x2F;2013&#x2F;04&#x2F;03&#x2F;176134...</a><p>At my last job, we tried to get an H1 for just <i>one</i> person, and failed in the lottery!<p>I feel there would be much less abuse of the H1 if each company could receive only say 100 visas a year max, or a % of their US workforce size max, or something.
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lmg643大约 11 年前
i recently saw a table of firms awarded these visas. it seemed nuts to me that a large proportion of the visas go to firms whose primary business line is outsourcing in one form or another.<p>i typically think of visas as fulfilling unmet hiring needs for domestic US firms - like Facebook! - but instead see they are largely squirreled away by firms whose primary function is overseas labor cost arbitrage.<p>I would be interested to hear informed opinions as to why so many visas go to these firms. i thought the stated objective is to help american firms meet their hiring needs where the local work force is deficient.<p>instead, it seems like all the demand is corralled into a few firms which do the dirty work for everyone else. if your primary purpose is outsourcing, how can you plausibly claim to be searching for qualified workers inside the US, and thus deserving of access to these visas?
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firstOrder大约 11 年前
&gt; Does turning away highly skilled and educated people due to an artificial cap on visas sound silly?<p>This is a false way of framing things on many levels. First, as Norm Matloff has extensively documented, they are not all &quot;highly skilled and educated people&quot;. Secondly, they can be given green cards and other such things, why is this specific visa necessary?<p>Also, if there&#x27;s a shortage of talent, then the Silicon Valley CEO&#x27;s can put an end to things like their conspiracy to drive down tech wages that is playing out in the courts, which is something that would obviously depress the number of engineers applying for jobs. Instead of the federal government cutting loans and grants to college students, they could expand them if they want more engineers.<p>And if there is some humanitarian concern for immigrants, there are waiting applicants from Africa who have far more of a humanitarian need to get into the USA then an Indian IIT graduate.
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fitzpasd大约 11 年前
I&#x27;m going to be in this lottery and it&#x27;s unnerving thinking about how different my life could turn out if I get this visa vs. don&#x27;t. Young male, can&#x27;t imagine I&#x27;d try again next year so it could be the difference of a much higher paying job plus living 5+ years in America vs. staying in my home country probably for life. Nothing wrong with my home country, but I&#x27;m excited of the prospect of living in America and the experiences that go with.<p>For people in the same boat: I think it&#x27;s easier to cope with this if you take the view that you have to be lucky to get the visa, not unlucky not to. No one complains of ill-luck when they buy a lottery ticket and don&#x27;t win millions. Positivity folks! :)
tn13大约 11 年前
I am in USA on H1B.<p>A lot of American problems seem to be around the thinking that there is some kind &quot;fixed&quot; number of jobs, misery, poverty, disease etc.<p>A lot of welfare systems here seems to assume that there is a fixed number of single mothers, disabled etc. without acknowledging the fact that the more incentives you give to them more people will try to get into that category. For example more dole you give to disabled I would assume more people would try to get themselves into disabled bucket than in healthy.<p>Similarly the H1B cap seems to have an assumption that there are some fixed number of STEM jobs out there and if Indians fill it up, somehow the Americans will not get it. I would assume a higher concentration of Engineers in USA would only lead to more innovation, more engineers trying to earn more money by being far more creative and so on.<p>In India a typical outsourcing giant pays somewhere between $5K to $10k per year to new engineers. The only way I could break such low pay was by getting a master degree, being an excellent coder and joining a more tech focused company in Silicon Valley. After reaching Silicon Valley I realized the tech giant I was working for did not pay me enough. So I changed the job and joined a start-up which eventually did far well making me richer.<p>Also the Democrats which beat their chest in the name of poor are actually those who treat poor the way a Dog treats a lampost. The lampost helps the Dog navigates but only after it is soaked in his pee.<p>More engineers would mean cheaper engineering services which means more money saved for rest of the non-engineering Americans which a overwhelmingly high population. By putting an artificial cap on H1B American government is forcing the poor American citizens shell out more money.
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emdowling大约 11 年前
Good to note that this does not include the E3 visa available exclusively to Australians. Australia never uses its full allocation of 10,000 E3&#x27;s each year and they are incredibly easy to get. the candidate simply needs a Bachelor&#x27;s degree or higher as well as a job offer. If approved, their spouse is also instantly eligible for a E3 visa entitling them to work too.<p>Generally, it takes 2-4 weeks to get one from start to finish if you have a good immigration lawyer.<p>This sort of visa should not be exclusive to Australia. As an Aussie, I get the benefit from it but at the same time, I feel everyone should have access to it. I hope visa reform comes soon!<p>Anyone struggling to hire, big or small, should market to Australians. Its very cheap to fly out and interview a heap of smart candidates who would love to work for startups in the Bay Area.
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ori_b大约 11 年前
This article is slightly misleading, IMO.<p>The agency working on my application specifically timed it so that my application was submitted on April 1st, when the applications initially opened, instead of in November when I submitted the paperwork. If all agencies time applications this way, then the reason that all applications were exhausted within a week is because the entire year&#x27;s applicants queued up until their requests were submitted this week.<p>This does not detract from the fact that there are too few visas granted, however, the situation isn&#x27;t quite as insane as you would expect from reading this article.
lifeisstillgood大约 11 年前
A good friend of mine works in the US under a high-Skill visa - as a tenured professor at Cornell, with oh, the Presidents medal for something very clever.<p>I think high skilled is a term that we coders are happy to apply to themselves, but really folks we are not compared to a genuine elite. The future will be invented by a very small number of brilliant people - the rest if us are just here to fill in the gaps behind them.<p>let it go, start building a remote-working-orientated company and hire people wherever they live. Stop worrying about the country&#x27;s tax take.
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suyash大约 11 年前
I&quot;m surprised only 124,000 applications were received. I was expecting the number to cross 200K. It gives more 85,000&#x2F;124,000 probability which means slightly more than 68% of the people have chances of getting the H1B Visa.
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bertil大约 11 年前
If this is genuinely an issue (I never really tried, I just asked a handful of interesting offers if they&#x27;d consider making the effort and never really received a positive reaction), why haven’t more companies tried to set up large teams in Europe and Asia?<p>I never heard anyone say that Google Zurich (a terrible location, work-visa-wise) or Sidney didn&#x27;t fit the bill. Remote work appears to be common practice — a third of offers consider it, and cools start-ups advertise not having an office.
jrockway大约 11 年前
Does it matter? Canada is much more liberal about giving out work visas, so US companies just open offices in Canada and hire the employees there. Meanwhile, Canadians can come work in the US under the TN status, which has no quotas.<p>All the US gets is less tax revenue.
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blub5大约 11 年前
&quot;In 2013, 124,000 people applied for the combined 85,000 slots in the first five-day period.&quot;<p>Considering that Americans seem to have little difficulty affording computers and software, yet continue to bankrupted by health care costs, wouldn&#x27;t it make a lot more sense to give those 85k visas to cheap doctors from overseas to drive down medical costs, instead of giving them to cheap foreign programmers to drive down the wages of American developers?
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mildtrepidation大约 11 年前
I can&#x27;t help seeing this as a higher level in some grotesque cultural fractal that, somewhere along the line, also involves ticket middlemen monopolizing admittance to most concerts and shows.<p>I don&#x27;t know if they&#x27;re part of the same problem or the same problem expressing itself in different ways, but I have a hard time calling this coincidence.
josephschmoe大约 11 年前
This is just companies trying to get cheap labor. Work visas are modern indentured servitude.
duaneb大约 11 年前
Maybe companies will have to look domestically....
norswap大约 11 年前
FYI those visas are not the only way to get foreigners to work in the US. But it is one that is very interesting for companies.
ajg1977大约 11 年前
Next year they should let people apply for the chance to be randomly selected to receive a visa.
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suyash大约 11 年前
Companies who scooped up most the Visa slots last year (2013) are Outsource&#x2F;Consulting companies by far: <a href="http://www.myvisajobs.com/Reports/2013-H1B-Visa-Sponsor.aspx" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.myvisajobs.com&#x2F;Reports&#x2F;2013-H1B-Visa-Sponsor.aspx</a>
diegomcfly大约 11 年前
Are salaries rising for &quot;high-skilled&quot; domestic workers?
huherto大约 11 年前
Does anyone have more information ? That article seems to be talking about the numbers last year.
BenefitOfDoubt大约 11 年前
&gt;&quot;In the United States, nine percent of computer science graduates are unemployed, and 14.7 percent of those who hold degrees in information systems have no job. Graduates with degrees in STEM - science, technology, engineering and medicine&quot; <a href="http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2013/11/surviving-post-employment-economy-201311373243740811.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.aljazeera.com&#x2F;indepth&#x2F;opinion&#x2F;2013&#x2F;11&#x2F;surviving-p...</a><p>How does opening up more visas help this? It is not about helping the people of America. It is about corporations getting richer. There are plenty of people already here to fill tech jobs.
NextUserName大约 11 年前
&gt;<i>124,000 people applied for the combined 85,000</i><p>So if we gave them all Visas - we&#x27;d be good for less than two weeks?<p>Sounds like a bigger problem here.<p>On a related note, how many <i>highly skilled and educated people</i> live here already who are currently unemployed?<p>Two observations.<p>* Immigrants will go to where the work is. They will live almost anywhere the work is, they are moving already so it is easier than for someone who has roots somewhere.<p>* Immigrants will work harder and for less money. This is like starting a new job x10. Typically starting a new job - people work their tails off (for the first year or two at least). Think about that plus moving half way around the world just for personal achievement. Imagine the motivation that would give you. You would want to prove yourself, get permanent status, make a lot of money to bring family here ETC. And the money? think about it. Would you take less money for a huge opportunity in life?<p>Here is the thing though. Bringing in skilled immigrants is great for greedy capitalism, you get talent, hard work, and for cheap. The problem is - we are just working around a growing problem. What about the people who already live here. Not just the adults, but the kids who will be in high school and college in a few years. Why can&#x27;t they be the ones who fill these jobs?<p>Bringing in immigrants is a short term moneymaker for corporations. Longer term, and in a couple of generations, these immigrants grand kids will be the ones who don&#x27;t have a job. Let&#x27;s put more focus on that aspect rather than always rallying behind opening the floodgates without properly considering the ramifications.
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zpk大约 11 年前
The same company that has a press release that they do not wage collude:<p>&quot;Not everybody took part in the no-hire agreement: last week, Facebook&#x27;s Sheryl Sandberg said the social network rebuffed Google&#x27;s approaches.&quot;<p><a href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/03/30/tech_giants_fail_to_get_hiring_collusion_case_tossed_again/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theregister.co.uk&#x2F;2014&#x2F;03&#x2F;30&#x2F;tech_giants_fail_to_...</a><p>Is the same guy pushing for visas to drive down wages:<p>&quot;Fwd.us, a group founded in part by Facebook’s Mark Zuckerberg, has pushed for immigration reform. Joe Green, another Fwd.us founder, lambasted current law regarding the cap structure of high-skill visas in an email to TechCrunch, calling the current set of regulations “dysfunctional.” &quot;<p>I guess being a prick knows no bounds.