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Amazon Will Pay You $5,000 to Quit Your Job

258 点作者 scottkduncan大约 11 年前

34 条评论

jordn大约 11 年前
The first (and stated) effect of this policy is to weed out the unmotivated employees.<p>However, Dan Ariely has explained that the secondary effect is potentially more powerful. For those that choose to stay, they will forever live with their past action of having turned down lots of money to work there. So, when they&#x27;re having a crappy day and hating their job, they&#x27;re probably thinking &quot;why didn&#x27;t I take the money and quit?!&quot;. The only way to reconcile their thoughts and actions is to explain that, in fact, they must really love this job and therefore should work hard at it. This effect is known as ‘Cognitive Dissonance’[1] and is fascinating.<p>Here&#x27;s a link to a video of Dan explaining this[2] and a <i>really</i> excellent Coursera course he does on Irrational behaviour[3].<p>[1] <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Cognitive_dissonance</a><p>[2] <a href="http://bigthink.com/videos/dan-ariely-zappos-and-the-offer" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;bigthink.com&#x2F;videos&#x2F;dan-ariely-zappos-and-the-offer</a><p>[3] <a href="https://www.coursera.org/course/behavioralecon" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.coursera.org&#x2F;course&#x2F;behavioralecon</a>
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nemtaro大约 11 年前
As someone who actually worked at Amazon for a few long years, I&#x27;m always skeptical of such seemingly positive news, and often think &quot;hmm, could this be another marketing trick to influence people&#x27;s perception of Amazon rather than actually changing anything&quot;, and %90 of the time I&#x27;m right :)<p>Here&#x27;s how their typical financial offer is structured for new software engineers:<p>1st year: signing bonus + relocation bonus + 5% of stock grant<p>2nd year: signing bonus + 15% stock grant<p>3rd year: 40% stock grant<p>4th year: 40% stock grant<p>If you quit within the first year, you have to give the relocation and signing bonus back. That&#x27;s much much more than $1k. So there&#x27;s a strong financial incentive &#x2F; golden handcuffs to keep you there for at least 1-2 years, even if you are unhappy!<p>After the 2nd year, the financial incentive of staying is still there in form of the large stock grant (which has grown due to their stock price rising) that you&#x27;ve been promised and waiting on for a long time.<p>I can see someone rationally and happily taking the incentive after the third or fourth years and quit (i.e. after they&#x27;ve done damage to the work environment as an unhappy&#x2F;unmotivated employee, and no longer have to give a fortune back to the company)... but before then, I doubt it&#x27;ll change the behavior of any currently employed, overworked, over-paged, under-paid, under-appreciated software engineers.<p>Who this policy might affect though is future hires, and their perception of Amazon. People who have a choice between offers from MS and Amazon for example. They might consider this an interesting policy and assume that it would have improved employee morale at Amazon even though it&#x27;s common knowledge that Amazon has terrible work life balance, etc.<p>I should also note that the Zappos policy makes a lot of sense to me, but this is very different from that, as is the employee culture of Zappos from Amazon.
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JackC大约 11 年前
Purely on a legal level, getting your most disgruntled employees to identify themselves and waive all claims in exchange for $2,000-5,000 is probably a pretty good deal.
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bobjordan大约 11 年前
About 5 years ago during worst of the downturn, I took $20,000 USD option our consulting firm gave and voluntarily quit a $120,000 base salary job. At the time, I thought that job sucked pretty bad and was looking for an out anyhow. I&#x27;ve been an entrepreneur ever since.<p>No quick success story to tell - I&#x27;ve been bootstrapping for 5 years in China and it&#x27;s been hard. But I&#x27;ve been happier overall focusing everyday on pretty much whatever-the-hell I want to think about, and my business just broke $1M USD revenues this year by doing that, so overall it seems right decision for me.<p>Policies like this are probably a win-win for all involved.
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ninv大约 11 年前
It starts with 2000$ then 1000$ increment per year up to 5000$<p>This deal is for warehouse employees only and most of the people(90%+) working in warehouse are contractors.<p>They handpick employee(s) and once a year and offer him&#x2F;her this deal.<p>BS!
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orky56大约 11 年前
This reminds of the unlimited vacation policy. Essentially with both these policies, the company is deflecting issues regarding job satisfaction and burnout onto the employee. The employee almost gets bullied into not taking the offer so as to show that they are above the petty reward. These psychological games are not created by chance; they are instituted to keep everything black and white, with us or against us. By drawing a line in the sand, they are eliminating the necessary conversations employees should be having with HR or supervisors to improve the workplace and their own individual situations.
afterburner大约 11 年前
Although nobody else seems to have mentioned it, this sounds to me like they are trying to avoid employees being dissatisfied but sticking around in order to get severance pay. Obviously if you quit voluntarily, no severance pay, but Amazon gives you a bit of money anyways (much less than severance pay), so that maybe you won&#x27;t stick around longer than is good for either of you.
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donretag大约 11 年前
At my company, I am both the most unmotivated and most productive employee. Where would that leave me? :)
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smurph大约 11 年前
Big defense contractors have a yearly VRIF (Voluntary Reduction In Force), which is when they offer slightly better than average retirement packages to expendable older employees. Young people would never get the offer (because they couldn&#x27;t retire) and important older engineers would also never get the offer, even though many of them wanted it. This is a big improvement over that since it can be used by younger employees and the employee decides unilaterally if they want the package.
pvnick大约 11 年前
A few years ago I worked at a place where the CEO instituted this policy in the wake of reading about Zappos doing it. I remember him standing up at the weekly company meeting and offering a few thousand dollars to anyone who quit. The thing is, a week earlier, another coworker had put in his two weeks, and the look on his face upon hearing that announcement... I&#x27;m not sure if he ever got the money, but oh well. C&#x27;est la vie.
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jotm大约 11 年前
I&#x27;d take $5000 to quit a job in an Amazon warehouse:<p><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/11/25/amazon-staff-investigation_n_4335894.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.huffingtonpost.co.uk&#x2F;2013&#x2F;11&#x2F;25&#x2F;amazon-staff-inve...</a><p><a href="http://www.forbes.com/sites/eamonnfingleton/2013/11/25/amazon-com-is-accused-of-slave-driving-after-bbc-secretly-videotaped-warehouse-conditions/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.forbes.com&#x2F;sites&#x2F;eamonnfingleton&#x2F;2013&#x2F;11&#x2F;25&#x2F;amazo...</a><p><a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2512959/Walk-11-miles-shift-pick-order-33-seconds--Amazon-works-staff-bone.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.dailymail.co.uk&#x2F;news&#x2F;article-2512959&#x2F;Walk-11-mile...</a><p><a href="http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/jean-baptiste-malet-amazon-warehouse" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.vice.com&#x2F;en_uk&#x2F;read&#x2F;jean-baptiste-malet-amazon-wa...</a><p>:-) ... :-(
ForHackernews大约 11 年前
Does this apply to Amazon&#x27;s subcontractor warehouse employees? Because those are some jobs seriously worth quitting for $5,000: <a href="http://www.motherjones.com/print/161491" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.motherjones.com&#x2F;print&#x2F;161491</a><p>This would never be worth it for a developer working for Amazon proper.
ozh大约 11 年前
Zappos pays you $2,000 to quit... during the recruiting process<p><a href="http://www.businessweek.com/stories/2008-09-16/why-zappos-offers-new-hires-2-000-to-quitbusinessweek-business-news-stock-market-and-financial-advice" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.businessweek.com&#x2F;stories&#x2F;2008-09-16&#x2F;why-zappos-of...</a>
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readmylist大约 11 年前
Amazon runs through whole towns. That is an understatement. They arrive and go through 8-10 counties worth of people. Every person that they let go was not a bad employee and every employee they kept was not a good employee. Amazon is assholes. They have their temporary staffing agency because they don&#x27;t want to pay health benefits. If Amazon kept all the good employees that the staffing agency gave them then they would no longer need the staffing agency.<p>Staffing agencies are expensive, they are not really that much cheaper. If Amazon got rid of the staffing agency they could pay the employees they already have more money and there wouldnt be a question if employees are happy or not, motivated or not.<p>The buy outs are just to keep their staffing agency busy. How is the staffing agency going to say all of a sudden, &quot;You know what, we dont even require a diploma or a GED anymore, we did before but now we don&#x27;t&quot;.<p>With their staff agency they are burning money right in front of employees&#x27; faces while telling them that they cannot pay them one dime more. They have pissed off and cleaned out half the freaking state now they will hire anyone. Now they are going to pay some perfectly good employees to leave. Really these employees are exceptional. If you can last somewhere for 2-3 years where most people can&#x27;t last 2-3 weeks, you are a valuable employee. That is Amazon&#x27;s problem: They do not value people.
yen223大约 11 年前
Isn&#x27;t this just a cheaper version of a voluntary separation scheme? Makes brilliant sense actually.
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prbuckley大约 11 年前
I wonder what the chances of labor coordinating and everyone deciding collectively to take the offer at the same time? That would put Amazon in a tough spot and allow labor to negotiate a better deal. Amazon must be very confident that won&#x27;t happen.<p>Maybe this type of program says more about the weak state of organized labor in the US then it does about breeding a healthy and good company culture. There seems to be something you can read in between the lines with this.
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everyone大约 11 年前
Yeah Amazon are great to their permanent workers, management and so on. But what about the vast of majority of permatemp workers who do all the moving, warehouse work etc. ?<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waeMkka60po" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=waeMkka60po</a>
ritchiea大约 11 年前
This is genius. Many people feel stuck in jobs they don&#x27;t like for financial reasons. They&#x27;re surely not as productive as they could be if they were happier. Providing even a small bit of assistance to help them out the door helps both sides. Employees don&#x27;t feel trapped and employers don&#x27;t have to wonder if their employee is just have a rough time or if he&#x2F;she does not want to be there any longer.<p>Not to mention, as another commenter pointed out [1], once you decline the money you will look back and remember you made the decision to stay when presented an opportunity to leave.<p>1. <a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7572688" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=7572688</a>
_wdh大约 11 年前
I would be amazed if anyone accepted this offer, it&#x27;s not enough money to justify making every other job interview afterwards harder. I bet it&#x27;s just a PR trick to make them look like better employers after the warehouse conditions were exposed.
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muyuu大约 11 年前
I wonder where do they apply this policy? There are plenty of sob stories of sweatshops in Germany (for instance).<p>If this is a global policy then the argument that they&#x27;re the scum of the Earth with regard to employees cannot hold much water.
bowlofpetunias大约 11 年前
Seems to me that this can only work in countries with little in the way of job protection.<p>If you want to get rid of someone in most EU countries, it&#x27;s going to cost you a lot more for them to sign away their rights by quitting. From that perspective, this is just an attempt to get rid of people cheaply.<p>But exactly those people you actually want to take the offer won&#x27;t, they are much better off forcing their employer to either fire them or make them a better offer.
vaadu大约 11 年前
Can we get the US federal government to institute this policy? With the caveat that once you quit you are prohibited from collecting a federal paycheck elsewhere.
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MBCook大约 11 年前
A similar policy at Zappos was discussed a few years ago on the Freakonomics podcast. Here&#x27;s the transcript:<p><a href="http://freakonomics.com/2011/09/30/the-upside-of-quitting-full-transcript/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;freakonomics.com&#x2F;2011&#x2F;09&#x2F;30&#x2F;the-upside-of-quitting-fu...</a>
nargz503大约 11 年前
I would think that it would be more of a tiered system. For some higher pay employees it might benefit them to remain in unsatisfactory job just to make the big bucks. They are then draining amazon and not contributing like they would be if the y were truly pleased with their job
Pxtl大约 11 年前
So in other words, there&#x27;s now a $5000 hiring bonus if you can figure out a way to jump ship to Google or any of Amazon&#x27;s other competitors. Sounds good to me.
donutdan4114大约 11 年前
I very much agree with this. A great way to weed out employees who aren&#x27;t happy there, and as such, will be unmotivated, unproductive, and bring down overall morale.
qwerta大约 11 年前
Voluntary redundancy offer is pretty widespread. But there is usually exception for developers and other highly qualified people. Devs cant quit :-)
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smackfu大约 11 年前
One tricky bit is that it seems to be only once a year. So someone just moving on normally wouldn&#x27;t easily be able to take advantage.
JTon大约 11 年前
I wonder what the tax implications of taking this offer are. My gut says it becomes considerably less desirable. Too bad
dorfsmay大约 11 年前
If you leave, work somewhere else for six months or a year, can you come back at Amazon?
blazespin大约 11 年前
Isn&#x27;t this just Severance?
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codeonfire大约 11 年前
Most blue collar workers turn over in a year, so this is just PR fluff. Companies can and do write them up at any time for the smallest of mistakes and then fire them, often within the first three months. Any statement made about a manual labor job and &quot;After the first year&quot; is ridiculous as is the tuition plan.
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elwell大约 11 年前
So OpenSSL team has opportunity to make $3K profit and not have to deal with Heartbleed-scale shenanigans?
sharemywin大约 11 年前
Too bad the guy didn&#x27;t take his design and patent it. Then turn around and license it to GE and all their competitors.
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