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Mellow, the robotic sous-chef

144 点作者 cwilson大约 11 年前

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tptacek大约 11 年前
$400 is relatively expensive. You can get a 1100 watt Polyscience circulator for that much.<p>No circulator or water bath I know of requires vacuum sealers; all of them work fine with zips.<p>Also, not to nitpick, but duck confit only takes 8 hours or so; it&#x27;s one of the easiest things to do with a water bath.<p>It looks neat, though. It&#x27;ll be interesting to see if the cooling feature is useful, or more of a gimmick. That cooling system doesn&#x27;t look powerful enough to chill down a low-temp cook (you&#x27;re supposed to ice down anything you don&#x27;t serve immediately); I assume you use it to delay the start of cooking?
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joezydeco大约 11 年前
10 years ago Whirlpool introduced the Polara, a range that could also refrigerate the oven cavity until a timer expired or it was commanded to cook over the internet. It was a huge flop.<p><a href="http://insights-2-ignite.com/2013/05/06/3-appliance-flops/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;insights-2-ignite.com&#x2F;2013&#x2F;05&#x2F;06&#x2F;3-appliance-flops&#x2F;</a><p>Obviously a refrigerated oven is a pretty complicated device - more than a cooled&#x2F;heated water bath. The Polara had it&#x27;s share of technical problems, but Whirlpool thought they were on to a new trend with this &quot;smart&quot; oven.<p>I&#x27;m a sous-vide enthusiast myself (Dorkfood DSV FTW), but by no means do I consider SV cooking a time saver. It&#x27;s not going to make my day any more easy by kicking off a cook cycle from the office before I head home. In fact, part of the point of SV prep is that you can hold the cooked food for hours before finishing. Why do I need to precisely time the start if the end doesn&#x27;t matter? Okay, perhaps eggs ready when I wake would be nice. But I could also kick it off before I go to bed and they would still be at a creamy 144F when morning comes.<p>The other problem is that you still need to prep ahead of time. Is a busy family going to handle breakfast <i>and</i> dinner prep before going off to work and school? American families barely make it through breakfast as it is.<p>It&#x27;s a nice looking product and I wish them well. But the use cases escape me a little.
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dang大约 11 年前
All: For some reason, more than one user went through this thread downvoting everything. Abuses like that cause accounts to lose voting privileges.<p>When you notice substantive and civil comments which have been unfairly faded out by downvotes, please give them a corrective upvote. This doesn&#x27;t mean you agree with the comment, only that it didn&#x27;t deserve to be faded. Usually, one or two upvotes is all it takes to get back to par, so each user can make a big difference here. For example, all of the abusively downvoted comments in this thread have now been restored by corrective upvotes. (I just contributed a few, but most were already there.)<p>HN has long had this self-correcting mechanism, but it&#x27;s more important since we recently made some downvotes more powerful (cf. sama&#x27;s recent post about this), so we&#x27;re asking everyone to do it consciously when they see a need.
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jadence大约 11 年前
What temperature-safe bags are out there?<p>I did some digging into this a few months ago and couldn&#x27;t find anything conclusive. All I found were blogs, quotes, etc by wannabe scientists.<p>Of note:<p>• <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3222987/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov&#x2F;pmc&#x2F;articles&#x2F;PMC3222987&#x2F;</a><p>Nearly all plastics (even the BPA-free ones) leach estrogenic activity chemicals<p>• <a href="http://pprc.org/index.php/2013/networking/p2-rapid/do-plastic-chemicals-leach-into-food-from-sous-vide-sv-cooking/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;pprc.org&#x2F;index.php&#x2F;2013&#x2F;networking&#x2F;p2-rapid&#x2F;do-plasti...</a><p>Basically said that there is little evidence in either direction<p>• <a href="http://www.codlo.com/faq.html#.Ux5Ly-ddWlg" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.codlo.com&#x2F;faq.html#.Ux5Ly-ddWlg</a> and <a href="http://www.chow.com/food-news/107898/cooking-sous-vide-in-plasticis-it-safe/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.chow.com&#x2F;food-news&#x2F;107898&#x2F;cooking-sous-vide-in-pl...</a> and <a href="http://www.sfgate.com/food/article/Author-says-use-of-plastic-for-sous-vide-is-safe-2371038.php" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.sfgate.com&#x2F;food&#x2F;article&#x2F;Author-says-use-of-plasti...</a><p>Says that bags made from polyethylene (PE) are safe while bags made from polyvinyl chloride (PVC) are not.<p>• <a href="http://www.beyondsalmon.com/2010/08/cooking-in-plastic-how-safe-is-it.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.beyondsalmon.com&#x2F;2010&#x2F;08&#x2F;cooking-in-plastic-how-s...</a><p>SC Johnson (Ziplock manufacturer) themselves do not recommend cooking w&#x2F; their bags. Note their bags are made w&#x2F; the supposedly safe (per the links in the previous bullet) polyethylene (PE)<p>Right now I&#x27;m very intrigued by sous-vide but am too paranoid about the plastics to make the jump.
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mattmaroon大约 11 年前
I&#x27;ve been debating trying to make a sous vide machine that can chill and uses a smartphone&#x2F;tablet for control for two years. I ultimately decided it just wasn&#x27;t worth it because the only application I could think of for the chilling was egg poaching, and even sous vide I prefer to gradient poach rather than equilibrium. (75C for 12 mins gets a firmer white with a runny yolk than I could at equilibrium).<p>But I can&#x27;t wait to see what they and their community come up with. The UI on a smartphone at least has to be better than the current state of the art. And I&#x27;d love to hear how they&#x27;re cooling the water.
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satiani大约 11 年前
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mapt大约 11 年前
The timed refrigerator -&gt; cooking -&gt; {refrigerator &#x2F; warm} cycle alone makes this a really, really nice idea.<p>The thin clear container and large volume of water is going to be a bit rough on power consumption for that use-case though.
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zemvpferreira大约 11 年前
Founder&#x2F;designer&#x2F;actor here, glad to see HN pick Mellow up! I tried to post it myself to little success earlier. Let me know if I can clarify anything.
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prawn大约 11 年前
As an owner of a $2k+ Thermomix (which can do sous-vide in a very confined and limited fashion) this interests me and $400 doesn&#x27;t seem outrageous if it can become a regular tool in the kitchen. I do wonder how much is covered by a slow-cooker though.<p>Going on the TM, my concerns would be cleaning (doesn&#x27;t seem like a big issue) and how much of a meal it can actually do.<p>With the Thermomix, we found it went from gimmick to regularly used device quickly enough - marinades, sauces, pureed baby food, mashed potato, etc. Besides weigh, heat, blend, etc it can also work to a set temperature (though with broader increments) and I eventually tried some steak sous-vide. Vacuum sealed bag, into the basket (to prevent the blades from rupturing the bag) and away it went. It worked OK though the steak obviously needed to be seared at the end. That left me rinsing the TM and still having to wash the pan&#x2F;griddle, etc.<p>If you still need to prepare&#x2F;cook your sides, I wonder how much time has truly been saved? I&#x27;ve had reasonable success with the slow-cooker too: one-pot dish so cleaning is easy, sides aren&#x27;t much of an issue, etc.<p>I imagine that the value in Mellow will come once the community strengthens and people work out a set of go-to recipes that minimise other mess and prep.
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andrewljohnson大约 11 年前
For some definition of robotic... I guess networked crockpot doesn&#x27;t have the same ring.
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utopkara大约 11 年前
Great looking web site. Perfectly in tune with the product; at least that was my impression. I wish I could eat it.
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bsilvereagle大约 11 年前
Relevant reddit discussion on r&#x2F;hwstartups: <a href="http://www.reddit.com/23mshg/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;23mshg&#x2F;</a><p>tl;dr<p>- Uses the Electric Imp platform for wireless communication<p>- cannot be used without smartphone&#x2F;tablet&#x2F;computer&#x2F;internet connection<p>- heats in about 10 minutes<p>- not to be used for cook -&gt; chill
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bullfight大约 11 年前
I think this is the first internet connected kitchen device that I have seen actually make it&#x27;s use case for having an app or being connected.<p>I&#x27;m really impressed and while not having any prior experience with sous-vide I can really see making it part of my cooking process.
ebiester大约 11 年前
So, I notice that it&#x27;s quite possible to set on autopilot, but is there an option to have more control, in the case of recipes we find separately?<p>Is there some sort of way to know if the power went off? If so, does it check the temperature to see if it was just a surge or if it went into the danger zone?<p>I&#x27;m trying to reduce the amount of meat in my diet, personally, and most applications seem to be for meats. Are there significant advantages to getting one for anything short of slow carmelized onions and a few soups?
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dftf大约 11 年前
Surprised not to see any positive comments here – this is exciting stuff. The IoT should be changing the kitchen faster than any other room in the house (it&#x27;s the room with the most gadgets to begin with, with the potential for the most time savings &#x2F; life improvements). There&#x27;s not a lot of serious projects in the kitchen yet, and there should be so many more!
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roeme大约 11 年前
The first thing that sprung into my mind:<p><i>That thing will be a bloody mess to clean</i>.<p>There&#x27;s a reason why most kitchen appliances aren&#x27;t rectangular and don&#x27;t sport a lot of grilles, if any. And it <i>will</i> have to be cleaned at some point, like anything in a kitchen (or closed rooms, for that matter). Rectangular fluid containers are the worst.<p>(Other than that, seems to be a fine idea).
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alexhutcheson大约 11 年前
This looks really cool!<p>I&#x27;ve been interested in getting into sous-vide for a while, but I&#x27;m not sure where to start. Could anyone point me to some introductory resources? (websites, maybe cookbooks?)<p>I&#x27;m interested in learning the difference between different equipment setups, and also understanding what works well for sous-vide and what doesn&#x27;t.
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eric_the_read大约 11 年前
I have to say, this product sounds pretty cool, but for myself, I got really excited about sous vide, even made my own immersion circulator from Scott Heimendinger&#x27;s plans a few months ago, but when I fried two aquarium pumps due to long times at high temps, I knew I had to get a commercial model. I ended up ordering an Anova, and at $200, it&#x27;s just at the high end of what I feel I can afford. A $400 machine could easily be twice as good, and I&#x27;m still not sure I could convince myself to part with that much.<p>In addition, the new crop of immersion circulators (Anova, Sansaire, etc.) don&#x27;t need very much space- they just clamp to an existing pot or whatever. It seems to me the Mellow has a very hard fight for precious counter space on top of the price.
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alexnking大约 11 年前
This is exciting - I think the fact that it has cooling built in easily puts it apart from crock pots for convenience - allowing you to go from the fridge to the stove is really cool.<p>Now I just have to resist getting a peltier module and making one of these before 2015...
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johnurbanik大约 11 年前
Admittedly, I don&#x27;t know much about state of the art sous-vide, but I&#x27;d be really interested to see a device with two reservoirs that can be held at different temperatures and fill&#x2F;drain the main water bath.<p>Hypothetically, this would allow for cook-&gt;chill methods, though the overhead may not be worth it except for a small niche of customers.
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shalmanese大约 11 年前
Any plans to open the device up to API access? I know a lot of cheese makers who need a specific series of heating steps and it&#x27;s currently a major pain in the ass with available SV setups as it all has to be done manually. A way to program it in would be awesome.
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brianbreslin大约 11 年前
Shouldn&#x27;t the title be renamed a bit. I was expecting a rosie the robot type sous-chef robot. This is a smart sous-vide appliance, not a &quot;robot&quot; in the traditional sense.
chadwickthebold大约 11 年前
Is it just me or are a lot of the comments on this post getting greyed out? I thought that was only for flagged&#x2F;sufficiently downvoted comments? What the heck is going on here..
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jzig大约 11 年前
I am curious since I have never cooked sous-vide. I see pieces of meat being cooked in the video, so does that mean I would have to come home and prepare the side dishes?
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GregorStocks大约 11 年前
What&#x27;s this cost? The pre-order button doesn&#x27;t actually bring up a pre-order screen for me.
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cylinder大约 11 年前
Looks like a great improvement on the sous vide. Is there a prototype?
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softbuilder大约 11 年前
This is basically a Mr. Coffee.
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jack-r-abbit大约 11 年前
Already posted yesterday: <a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7622369" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=7622369</a><p>Edit: I always love when people get offended by facts.
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