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Ask HN: AdSense alternatives?

152 点作者 _7siz大约 11 年前
A friend and myself run a tutorial blog for a hobby that makes us a very minuscule amount of money via AdSense. It&#x27;s a nice extra incentive to push and grow the blog farther and farther along though.<p>In light of the current drama surrounding AdSense (fabricated or not), and in complete seriousness, what are some alternatives in case we randomly get &quot;shut off&quot;? We have used and are currently using BuySellAds and their Unreserved Program - which depends on a buyer though.

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toddynho大约 11 年前
Todd from @BuySellAds here.<p>An ideal setup is one in which you utilize about a handful of different companies in the &quot;Tier 2&quot; position. Probably no more than a handful though, because after that it gets hard to manage and rather convoluted.<p>Tier 1 is your directly sold ads (stuff you sell on your own directly to an advertiser or through a company like BuySellAds).<p>Tier 2 is where the AdSense&#x27;s of the world will live. It really depends on your &quot;niche&quot;, but in general the best options tend to be: AdSense, Rubicon Project (if you&#x27;re big enough), PubMatic (again, if you&#x27;re big enough), or a &quot;niche&#x2F;vertical&quot; ad company that focuses on sites like yours. By-and-large, AdSense &quot;owns&quot; this space outright, and even if you&#x27;re using a program like ours (<a href="http://buysellads.com/publishers/unreserved" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;buysellads.com&#x2F;publishers&#x2F;unreserved</a>) for your &quot;non-reserved&quot; inventory (stuff that isn&#x27;t sold direct) there&#x27;s going to be SOME mix of AdSense (or AdX) in there.<p>Ad money certainly isn&#x27;t easy, and more and more is going to go toward those publishers creating great content and curating high-value audiences (i.e. not user generated content...). The days of &quot;set it and forget it&quot; are over for most publishers who aren&#x27;t interested in earning pennies on the dollar. If you can&#x27;t sell ads directly through a service like BuySellAds or on your own, well, I wish you luck :)<p>It&#x27;s not all doom and gloom though - we see publishers make quite a bit of money all the time. It ultimately comes down to the quality of their site, it&#x27;s content, and the users.
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Ryan_Jones大约 11 年前
so, I realize this might be seen as spam, but I am always trying out adsense alternatives and regularly maintain a list of the ones I&#x27;m trying out. <a href="http://www.dotcult.com/best-adsense-alternatives/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.dotcult.com&#x2F;best-adsense-alternatives&#x2F;</a><p>TLDR: casale, Lijit, technorati are working best for me.
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antjanus大约 11 年前
Honestly, none of that. Create your own &quot;ad network&quot;.<p>Basically, figure out the theme of your blog and what kind of people it attracts and then find affiliate programs for that.<p>For example. Let&#x27;s say your tutorials are for developers. What do developers need?<p>* development tools * hosting * further courses&#x2F;learning<p>That will yield a pretty good list of affiliates that will convert well such as:<p>* New Relic * Digital Ocean * TeamTreeHouse<p>(respectively). You&#x27;ll make much more cash, and it&#x27;ll work better for your site. [Checkout my site](<a href="http://antjanus.com/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;antjanus.com&#x2F;</a>) for instance. I have a TeamTreeHouse ad (affiliate) which makes me a solid $X every month. The adsense ad underneath makes about $X&#x2F;100 (it was slightly better when it was at the top of the sidebar but still made only a fraction of what the TTH ad made). I also have an ad for Bootstrap themes on my Bootstrap tutorials. That ad makes about $X&#x2F;2 BUT my teamtreehouse ad performed at $X&#x2F;25 for those articles, makes sense?<p>Anyways, I&#x27;m getting rid of adsense in favor of my own &quot;ad network&quot;.<p><i></i>EDIT<i></i> A good example of other people doing this is [TechPro](<a href="http://tech.pro" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;tech.pro</a>) (I worked there briefly during the first sprint to make a pre-alpha whatever) which has its own ad serving network and directly serves affiliate programs.
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wiwillia大约 11 年前
Have you considered trying another way to monetize? Selling merchandise, especially if you have an engaged audience, tends to have a higher effective CPM ($20-100+ in our experience) and can be run simultaneously with ads.<p>Teespring (disclaimer: I&#x27;m a co-founder and t-shirt addict) can be an effective tool for doing just this. We ship hundreds of thousands of products each month, you get retail quality products and margins as though you were paying up front.<p>Absolutely no risk and no costs. You&#x27;ll never pay us a penny, we only make money if you do.
gesman大约 11 年前
I suggest to come up with your own buyable products (tutorials, how-to&#x27;s, etc..) and show half of it (teaser) to everyone and allow to see the rest to paid members.<p>Then you may charge per download, or full access based on recurring membership fee.<p>You may also offer free membership to capture emails and then market to interested visitors further.<p>Whoring your traffic to other people&#x27;s platforms or products leaves no residual value to you and makes you vulnerable to other people TOS&#x27;es, moods and playrules.<p>The point is to use Google what it&#x27;s good for - to send you prospects.<p>Your task is to capture prospect&#x27;s contacts and establish relationships with them.<p>Begging for Adsense peanuts is unsustainable strategy as many people are finding out the hard way.<p>(PS: I worked on bulding membership site software that allows you to do just that with a few clicks)
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Chitika大约 11 年前
Hi,<p>Chitika customer support here! Our ad network is often used by those who cannot get AdSense approval but who still have high-quality sites. You can even test us out alongside AdSense -- we&#x27;ve found most publishers who use Chitika AND AdSense make more money than those who use AdSense alone.<p>We have search-targeted text, display, mobile, in-text, pop-out, and highlight ads available to all of our publishers.<p>Feel free to drop me a line at support@chitika.com if you or your friend have any questions. We can take a look at your blog and suggest certain ad types &amp; placements that would work well for your specific blog. :)
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malchow大约 11 年前
There are alternatives to AdSense, but the key here is to recognize that AdSense enjoys its favorable position in part by sourcing advertiser demand from other platforms. There is a massive and creative ecosystem around developing technology to suit (and sometimes to drive) the mercurial wishes of ad agencies. So Google captures this through partnerships. Ad demand that&#x27;s actually originated by Google sales is very significant and very high quality, but there&#x27;s no doubt that Google is simultaneously interested in serving its own wholly owned properties.<p>The best thing to do is to build relationships with 5-9 high quality ad platforms and waterfall them through passback tags, one to the other.<p>Good platforms include, but are certainly not limited to:<p>AOL x+1 AppNexus Turn MediaMath AudienceScience Criteo The Trade Desk<p>If you&#x27;re lucky, you can satisfy all requests without sending a single impression over to AdSense.<p>If your domain is delivering fewer than 100m impressions monthly, it&#x27;s unlikely that the companies noted above will be keen to put personnel on your account, and may not be able to work with you at all.<p>However, with intelligent switching, keen arbitrage, and an aggressive performant waterfall (e.g., you never actually want to pass a request to more than two or three of these or you&#x27;ll see packet loss that exceeds the positive delta you&#x27;d have obtained by accessing yet another ad platform) you can do very well without using AdSense. The company I mentioned below, Publir, was cofounded by me about five years ago and does what we think is a rather good job of this. Sites like The Atlantic and others use us for their ads.<p>We&#x27;re also terrific fans of BuySellAds, whose self-serve platform is second to none. There, your goal is simply to do direct outreach to advertisers likely to covet your audience. Even the finest brand-name publishers only sell about 30% of their ads this way, though, so your expectations ought not be too high.
thenomad大约 11 年前
What&#x27;s the niche?<p>It&#x27;s more work, but you can generate similar levels of income - or sometimes more - using affiliate programs from sites like Commission Junction, ShareASale, and Clickbank. You&#x27;ll need to test and optimise, but the rewards can be considerable.
antr大约 11 年前
I have a close friend who went from AdSense to BuySellAds Unreserved and saw a spike in CPM of c. 60-70%, with quality ads (I think he said these were primarily retargeting driven). I don&#x27;t think he is going back to AdSense.
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Sir_Cmpwn大约 11 年前
MediaCrush (<a href="https://mediacru.sh" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;mediacru.sh</a>) uses Project Wonderful. We describe our reasons here: <a href="https://mediacru.sh/advertising" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;mediacru.sh&#x2F;advertising</a>.<p>In short, they are pro-user and generally seem like good guys, and they give us a lot of control.
mdprasadeng大约 11 年前
<a href="http://www.media.net/publishers" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.media.net&#x2F;publishers</a><p>media.net, my previous company. We used to consider ourself in competition with adsense. They have some big name customers like forbes, cosmopolitan etc.
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hurlio333大约 11 年前
Agree with Todd&#x27;s general setup. CPM&#x27;s on display ads are in a death spiral thanks to a glut of inventory and programmatic buying&#x2F;targeting options.<p>Particularly for a tutorial site I would consider paid, clearly marked sponsored tutorials that you produce and keep full editorial control over. In moderation it can work well and still have educational value for readers and drive results for advertisers way beyond any display ads, and significantly more revenue for you. Full disclosure I handle direct ad sales for publishers with this exact same model at TechCrowds.com (including representing a few BuySellAds publishers)
higherpurpose大约 11 年前
For ads, I don&#x27;t think others pay quite as well, and even those that come close, usually require at least 100,000 uniques a month or something like that.<p>But if it&#x27;s not too irrelevant to that topic, I suggest combining whatever ad network you have with Amazon affiliate links. It helped me double my Adsense income for the same traffic.<p>Ultimately, if you have some quality service or content that you can sell, membership&#x2F;subscription model is the best. I know someone who just gave up on Adsense, and was making 10x the Adsense revenue from subscriptions.
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cyborgx7大约 11 年前
Are there any ad networks that don&#x27;t track the people looking at your site? That would be a valuable feature to me.
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dublinben大约 11 年前
Have you considered working directly with the most relevant advertisers for your niche market?
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Amatewasu大约 11 年前
I launched few months ago an alternative to AdSense: PandAd. <a href="https://pandad.eu" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;pandad.eu</a><p>However we focus a French public for the moment. But we try to do not track visitors of our publishers.
sergiotapia大约 11 年前
I had a website that had around 50,000 hits&#x2F;month and made about $150&#x2F;month with no input from me. We used the ad network called Project Wonderful. It&#x27;s simple to use and manage.
malchow大约 11 年前
You could try Publir.com. (Disclaimer: I&#x27;m cofounder.)
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MicroBerto大约 11 年前
If you&#x27;re in health&#x2F;fitness&#x2F;nutrition&#x2F;diet, we have some tools using the PricePlow API. Buzz me if so and good luck!
jordsmi大约 11 年前
Depends on the type of traffic, but I think it&#x27;s best to just push CPA offers, or actual products from places like cj or clickbank
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whatnow0大约 11 年前
Does anyone know of an ad network which pays out in Bitcoin but targetted towards general users? Coinurl, a-ads etc have an extremely low CTR because they are targetted to only Bitcoins users.<p>Are there any plans for popular ad networks to payout in Bitcoin anytime soon?<p>Another solution would be to use affiliate programmes such as Privateinternetaccess but once again, it would generate a low CTR I would presume.
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Eleutheria大约 11 年前
I wish Mozilla started their own ads platform for Firefox OS.<p>It looks promising.
maxsavin大约 11 年前
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