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How the design of a BMW Motorcycle affects your App

33 点作者 jsatok将近 16 年前

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gamache将近 16 年前
I wrote this comment for the blog but I am unsure that it posted correctly there:<p>BMW Motorrad is similar to Apple in many ways:<p>* Both were early players in their respective markets. Moreso than many other manufacturers, they have a lot of history to draw from.<p>* Both are known for their design and sense of style. A BMW motorcycle, like an Apple device, is almost instantly recognizable once you know the visual cues of each.<p>* Both are premium products at premium prices, designed against disposability. A BMW motorcycle and an Apple computer will typically outlast 2-3 of the average competitor's products, while costing about 1.5x as much.<p>* Both have absolutely rabid followings, winning the kind of fanaticism you can only produce by decades of selling beautiful products that perform beautifully.<p>The BMW turn signals map closely to the Apple 1-button mouse. Is it the most functional design? Nah. But the customers barely care. The design is functional enough, and it conjures the brand very effectively.<p>Here, both BMW and Apple "missed" the waves of standardization to user controls; their controls were always good enough from the start, however, and since the users didn't make a stink about it, both highly successful manufacturers left well enough alone.<p>Looking from our vantage point in the present, sure, someone moving to a BMW or Apple interface will notice a few differences (or, in your words, it will be "inconsistent with virtually every other"). But when you look at it from the point in time at which these interfaces were designed, both were groundbreaking and best-of-breed. Macs had a mouse when their closest competitors would draw some text like "C:&#62;" and drool at you. BMW had foot-shift and hand-clutch when their closest competitors had suicide-shift and clutch pedals. It took another 40 or 50 years for motorcycles to agree upon right-hand throttle, even.<p>Personally, I don't buy the left-brain/right-brain argument you put forth, and I consider the danger pretty low because turn signals get the absolutely lowest priority when I am riding and need to react to emerging situations (that's pretty-talk for "when the dude in the F-150 aims at me suddenly"). I ride a Honda and I am pleased with the left-thumb directional controls, but I bet I could get used to a BMW pretty quickly.... and any donations to test this theory are gratefully accepted. But in any case, I think you need to see some more of the history behind the controls before you can use them as a UI teaching tool.
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jacquesm将近 16 年前
What a load of bull. Pardon my French.<p>That's just a contrived hook, and it's wrong on top of that.<p>If you're driving a bike you'll know this: 2/3rds of your brake power comes from the front wheel, if you're in a turn <i>and</i> you need your front wheel brake that badly you are in big trouble. Most likely you'll end up on the pavement.<p>Turning and braking are done separately, and during emergency evasive maneuvers (the lorry pulling out) signaling is the least of your worries.<p>The sequence normally is:<p>- check your lanes<p>- indicate your turn<p>- wait for a bit to get the rest of the traffic to notice your turn signal<p>- meanwhile, reduce speed and shift down if appropriate<p>- make your move<p>So what if one bike brand does it different than others ? Bike users - unlike web visitors - are adaptable creatures, they know their bikes inside out.
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jasongullickson将近 16 年前
Maybe this is an oversimplification, but I think the point of the article is "if you're going to do something in a non-standard way, there should be a reason", and the author didn't see an obvious reason for BMW's deviation.<p>As a motorcyclist I don't see an immediate, obvious advantage to the BMW approach vs. the standard approach but like most things on motorcycles, you may need to actually <i>use</i> it before it makes sense to you.<p>So it looks like I now have an excuse to spend some time riding Beemers...
sharkey将近 16 年前
BEEP! Oh, sorry, just trying to readjust to Honda controls ...<p>Anyway, I never found 3. to be a problem on my R100GS (w/ early K-style controls) but I think there's another really important point here: supporting those three buttons requires a whole mess of relays, latches and so on, in a black box the size of a couple of packs of cigs, hidden away under the tank. If it fails, like mine did, there's no way to do a roadside repair. It's a black box, literally.<p>Whereas the standard setup has one simple mechanical switch and one flasher can and not many wires. Its very simple to diagnose and you can get a new flasher can anywhere for $5.<p>The appropriate BMW slogan: "Why simple, when complicated works?"
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JimmyL将近 16 年前
One of my favorite design-of-everyday-things examples is tiller-controlled outboard motors, like the one seen at <a href="http://bit.ly/3Aftns" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/3Aftns</a>, and in particular, the ones where the forward/reverse control is integrated into the tiller (as opposed to a separate shifting lever).<p>With those engines, there's a very direct connection between the user's movements (moving the tiller) and the way the boat moves in response. It's not immediately obvious, but it becomes natural once you create a mental model around it - in the same way that using a turn signal on a car isn't immediately obvious (why does moving a swingarm down equate with going left?).<p>The real part I like, however, comes with reversing. As opposed to having to explicitly shift gears, simply turn the throttle in the opposite direction as you do to accelerate. Counter-clockwise to accelerate, clockwise to slow down, and keep turning it clockwise (through a safety stop) and you'll end up going backwards, which you can consider the extreme manifestation of slowing down (you have slowed so much you have negative forward velocity).
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dabeeeenster将近 16 年前
I've never understood why there's no standard position for the indicator stalk on cars - some are on the left of the steering wheel, some on the right...
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nessence将近 16 年前
There's a significant problem with the theories behind this post. You have to engage the clutch to break hard or you're going to stall the bike. In fact, many times, acceleration will get you out of as many problems as breaking. Horn is more important to me anyways - they should all be WAY louder.<p>A better option is an auto-canceling turn signal which I'm sure too expensive, for now. Until then, for either design, the suck is going to depend on finger/thumb size.
bmwbud将近 16 年前
Very amusing discussion. In particular regarding front wheel braking. You guys really have a sense of humor.
hs将近 16 年前
when i ride a motorcycle, i rarely use turn sign ... i literally use my head to turn<p>i don't even use the mirrors because turning my head eliminates blind spots<p>car and bike riders here understand (and accustomed to) what it means when an object in front of them slows down while its rider's helmet turn to left/right<p>but of course it's not safe :( so maybe a better solution is a bike with accelerometer built in (like in iPhone) so the sign flashes whenever i tilt my bike accordingly
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