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Gödel, Escher, Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid

65 点作者 kudu大约 11 年前

22 条评论

VonGuard大约 11 年前
Don&#x27;t quite know why this is here, but if you haven&#x27;t read any Douglas Hofstadter, this is probably where to start. This is a book that will A: change your life, B: require a pencil and paper to read with, C: Introduce you to Bach&#x27;s genius, and D: will probably give you a greater appreciation of social interactions and language if for no other reason than it boils all of consciousness down to, essentially, language.<p>I&#x27;m so over simplifying it, and there&#x27;s a lot more here than this. But I still found it extremely interesting to read this and contemplate just how intricately tied to our inner-narratives we are. Without that never-ending dialog in our heads, we&#x27;re not really sentient, and without a language, we can&#x27;t have that dialog...<p>Again, way more here, but this was the big thing I took away. I am a strange loop, after all.
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DanAndersen大约 11 年前
This is probably the only physical book I&#x27;ve purchased in the past several years and felt was a good investment, because of the lack of a decent e-book version. I haven&#x27;t actually worked my way all the way through it yet; I had started about a year ago, made it about a third of the way through before getting distracted, and now I&#x27;m starting it again because it really is the kind of book that you have to build up piece by piece as a reader. I feel like my Web-browsing-Stack-Overflowing approach to reading over the past several years has hurt me and I hope working through GEB can help me get more experience in really working with a text deeply.<p>I&#x27;ve also found it helpful to consult the MIT OCW video lectures on this book: <a href="http://ocw.mit.edu/high-school/humanities-and-social-sciences/godel-escher-bach/video-lectures/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;ocw.mit.edu&#x2F;high-school&#x2F;humanities-and-social-science...</a>
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GrantS大约 11 年前
After you&#x27;re done reading GEB, I highly recommend moving on to the rarely mentioned &quot;The Mind&#x27;s I&quot;, Hofstadter and Dennett&#x27;s 1981 collection of essays and stories about self&#x2F;mind by themselves, Alan Turing, Richard Dawkins, Stanislaw Lem, and others: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mind&#x27;s_I" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;The_Mind&#x27;s_I</a>
kjhughes大约 11 年前
Great book! See also &quot;Ask HN: Is &quot;Gödel, Escher, Bach&quot; still worth reading?&quot;<p><a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7014299" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=7014299</a><p>where I answered:<p><pre><code> It is a timeless classic which will draw you in if you give it the chance it deserves. If you find parts to be a bit heavy, you can speed up or slow down per your personal preference. I chose to slow down and read all the more carefully. I feel I was truly rewarded for the effort but believe that hurrying through such parts would be a viable alternative -- certainly better than abandoning the book as often seems to happen. It&#x27;s my favorite book. I recommend you do try it.</code></pre>
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ahussain大约 11 年前
I have read the first 20% of this book 5 times... Each time I get a little further but still a long way to go!
jesuslop大约 11 年前
This is a fine book, a sort of mind playground and one of those you cherish in the shelves of your memory. My Philosophy teacher at high school (hi Faustino) recommended it to the class and it led me to read later in college the collected works of Gödel, and never repented it.
stonogo大约 11 年前
This book is fantastic as a tool. I have used it in many classrooms to teach students about how to identify pseudoscience. This and &quot;Quantum Learning&quot; are excellent examples of the work of well-read blowhards contributing nothing to human knowledge (aside from a very stylish series of handwaving and cargo cults).<p>Like most popular gibberish of this ilk, the most valuable part of the book is the reference list; most pseudo-philosophers are very careful to make as many references as possible to really excellent works, probably in an attempt for &#x27;success by association.&#x27;
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lbarrett大约 11 年前
Eh. I started reading his book &quot;I am a Strange Loop&quot;, and it became obvious that the author is an enormous blowhard. Is it really worth reading despite the pretentiousness?
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bckmn大约 11 年前
Started reading this book in mid-February and I&#x27;m about halfway through today. Fantastic thinking, and still relevant despite its publication date.
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reallifepixel大约 11 年前
Whenever I see GEB, I always chuckle thinking how Steve Martin turned me on to Hofstadter. <a href="https://prelectur.stanford.edu/lecturers/hofstadter/images/stevemartin.jpg" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;prelectur.stanford.edu&#x2F;lecturers&#x2F;hofstadter&#x2F;images&#x2F;s...</a>
VikingCoder大约 11 年前
I don&#x27;t understand any of the words used to describe Bach&#x27;s music, and I don&#x27;t know any of the pieces. Is there an accompanying audio track I could listen to that shows the examples the book is referencing, and explains the words used to describe them?
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fdej大约 11 年前
This book had a big influence on me. I bought it right when I started university, and it contributed a great deal to my decision to switch study program from software engineering to physics&#x2F;math after the first year. I never regretted that decision.
ZanyProgrammer大约 11 年前
I always thought it was interesting that apparently Hofstadter isn&#x27;t into geek computer&#x2F;tech culture (from what I remember reading on his Wiki page, IIRC). Its ironic considering who his biggest fans are.
spain大约 11 年前
I actually started reading this a week or so ago. It&#x27;s very interesting but every now and then I get the feeling that everything in it is really beyond me. I&#x27;ve sort of dismissed that thought because it&#x27;s probably how everyone feels when first reading it, and that eventually it&#x27;ll start making sense.
hbogert大约 11 年前
Oh yes, wonderful book sofar, only started recently. The mini assignments are great and I get a small smile if I have one correct in one go, only to be completely cranky if I don&#x27;t get one.<p>Absolute recommend-er for AI people, linguistics. Actually, everybody should read this.
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vezzy-fnord大约 11 年前
See also my previous thread on whether it&#x27;s currently relevant (in summary, yes, it is, but with a few caveats): <a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7014299" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=7014299</a>
seanc大约 11 年前
For those might get discouraged when struggling to read this book (of which I am one), don&#x27;t forget that Hofstadter struggled quite a bit to write it.<p>So it&#x27;s not just you.
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IBCNU大约 11 年前
This book changed my life in High School. I eventually worked out Gödel&#x27;s theorem. I felt good. I&#x27;ve forgotten it now, it&#x27;s hard.
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cromulent大约 11 年前
Thanks for reminding me. I just went and found my first edition to re-read. It&#x27;s been more than a few years, I will enjoy this.
JustinBrown大约 11 年前
This has been sitting on my &quot;too read&quot; pile far too long. That changes this summer.
rabino大约 11 年前
Without any doubt one of my favorites ever. Few books had so much impact on me
CletusTSJY大约 11 年前
I don&#x27;t read a lot of books and this one is enormous but I did read it cover to cover. In its best moments it&#x27;s genius, in its worst moments it&#x27;s either dry or over my head. But it was a combination of delightful to read, educational, and mind blowing in parts.