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Some of the work we did at Danger

339 点作者 kaptain大约 11 年前

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mcculley将近 11 年前
I tried developing for the Sidekick when it came out. I had one and was very happy with it. The API and the hardware were a delight.<p>I remember being frustrated that the only means of technical support was a terrible walled garden web forum. There was no email gateway, so one had to keep checking that site for answers. I would have much preferred mailing lists and a public website indexable by search engines.<p>The bigger frustration was that T-Mobile was the gatekeeper for app distribution. If you wanted to get an app to a phone, it had to be on the store, you had to get T-Mobile&#x27;s blessing, and they had no plans to support free apps. The carriers were very much still oriented around the ringtone economy and were terrified that you might put something on your phone without getting a cut of a fee.<p>People complain now about Apple and Google and the processes that impede app distribution, but the iOS and Android ecosystem is way better than what existed when the carriers were in charge.<p>I remember thinking that the Danger folks were very responsive and very sharp, but it didn&#x27;t matter because they were in the end beholden to T-Mobile and T-Mobile didn&#x27;t get it. There&#x27;s an ecosystem lesson in there for anybody trying to build a new platform.
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zurn大约 11 年前
I wonder what this means:<p>&gt; the world owes a debt of thanks to Jeff Bush who was the first person we know of to get a full TCP&#x2F;IP stack working on a cellular data connection<p>IP is natively supported by GPRS and worked from day 1, and before that regular GSM-data had been used for TCP&#x2F;IP for a long time.
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cwyers将近 11 年前
&quot;As an interesting historical side note: the engineers who developed the Java runtime for hiptop would later join Google and lead the Android kernel engineering team; and develop Dalvik, the Java language runtime for Android.&quot;<p>I&#x27;m pretty sure that&#x27;s less a historical side-note and more an invitation for Sun to subpoena you to testify the next time Google says their version of Java was a clean-room implementation.
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lelandriordan大约 11 年前
I had the Sidekick&#x2F;Hiptop 2 back in high school because my mom had T-Mobile through her work. To this day I have not been stopped by more people asking about a device (not even the original iPhone I saved up for as a freshman in college). T-mobile was spotty at best in the DC area so nobody else I knew had it, everywhere I would go people would say things like &quot;It has a browser!?!&quot; or &quot;I thought only Treos and Blackberries had email!?!&quot;. It was a sad day when my mom changed companies and we switched to AT&amp;T(aka Cingular). I salute you Danger, I wish there were more small innovative hardware companies like you these days.
nppc大约 11 年前
Nostolgia ... I remember those days.<p>Developers try so hard these days to implement push notifications from their apps &amp; services and boast about all the IFTTT stuff.<p>Carries here in India used to provide email-to-sms as a free service. You would just send an email to +91PhoneNo@xyzprovider.com and that message would be sent to PhoneNo as an SMS (160 chars from subject).<p>Now a days if you want to send a message, you need to have developer accounts, install Software on the devices to receive the notifications, need to have a data connection on the phone, talk to push notifications clouds and a few other things.
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zachlipton大约 11 年前
The Danger Hiptop was an incredible device. At a time when RIM basically thought the web was a useless feature on a mobile device, Danger built an amazing mobile browser (discussed in the article) that wouldn&#x27;t be matched until the iPhone. Instead of a handful of limited text-based WAP sites, the Hiptop rendered full desktop sites and did a pretty darn good job of making them usable on a mobile device.<p>I still miss that General Magic bunny though.
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tlrobinson大约 11 年前
Random question: Does anyone remember a (translucent?) device (toy?) that was about the size of a graphing calculator and had a little antenna sticking out the side, and you could wirelessly send messages to other people nearby (within a couple hundred feet probably) with the same device? This was probably around 2001.
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bonaldi大约 11 年前
That web dashboard that combines mail, notes, calendar and to-dos in one screen is great - I would like that today, and I don&#x27;t think I can get it.
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Zigurd大约 11 年前
I found out about why deaf people used the Danger Hiptop once when I was already working on Android software development. I saw a young woman on the T commuter rail intently typing at almost unbelievable speed on a Hiptop, faster than I had ever seen anyone use any Blackberry or other device.<p>I knew about many of the Android team having worked for Danger, but I had never seen one &quot;in the field.&quot; When she stopped for a moment, I asked her about the device. It was apparent she was deaf, so we used my pocket notebook to communicate. She told me all her deaf friends had Danger Hiptops.
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rospaya将近 11 年前
This is a really nice story, but I have to react to all the people swooning over this - Nokia (Symbian) had a lot of these functions back in the day, but it was never popular in the US so people often forget about it.
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Tiktaalik将近 11 年前
I can&#x27;t help but wonder how much better off Nintendo would be right now if they had bought Danger when they had the chance to partner with them.
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rdl大约 11 年前
Kind of amazing that Danger&#x27;s VC partner knew more about cellular networks than the founders did. I wonder who he was and which firm.
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msh将近 11 年前
I am sad that the keyboards have disappeared from smartphones :(
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davb大约 11 年前
And if anyone&#x27;s wondering - the revolutionary audio engine the author mentions was the Beatnik Audio Engine (BAE), open sourced as the Mini Beatnik Audio Engine (miniBAE) [1].<p>[1] <a href="http://www.minibae.org/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.minibae.org&#x2F;</a>
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wilsynet将近 11 年前
A few of my friends had a Danger device. My second hand observation (and you have to remember this was many years ago now) was that they were somewhat fragile.<p>One friend was on his 5th hiptop in 18 months, and another was on his 3rd in about the same amount of time.<p>If you drop an iPhone on concrete, it survives just fine so long as you don&#x27;t shatter the glass. As for a wood floor or carpet, my various iPhones have survived several falls this way without any issues.<p>As for Danger, the devices would break frequently, even minor drops would result in the screen cosmetically undamaged, but something got loose internally and the device would stop working entirely.<p>I wanted a Sidekick &#x2F; hiptop, but the perceived fragility was too much to overcome.<p>If anyone reading this worked at Danger, was my perceived fragility of the phone more anecdotal than real?
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decktech将近 11 年前
I had a Sidekick B&amp;W in high school, and later a Sidekick Color, and people would ask me about it every single day. I remember having long AIM conversations under my desk in class. I later upgraded to a Sidekick 2, which was nice but had some build quality issues. I must have gone through at least four of them. To T-Mobile&#x27;s credit, they were very good at replacing them quickly. I remember sitting at dinner one night, flipping it open to answer an IM, and the screen detached and flew across the restaurant. I replied that my screen flew off and that I would have to respond later :)
glabifrons将近 11 年前
I resisted buying my own cellphone for a long time as I always worked for companies that provided them for me. Then got a job where they required me to provide my own. My first phone purchase was the first generation SideKick Color, and I loved it! I still have the SideKick II that replaced it (I traded my original one in on it pre-public-release). I still have the external camera that plugged into the SK Color&#x27;s headphone jack too.<p>The screen was gimmicky, but oh-so-cool... it got everyone&#x27;s attention, and allowed me to show people what it could do. Everyone was impressed - until they asked about ringtones. T-Mobile&#x27;s laser-focus on hip-hop was a real blow there... I&#x27;m not into it, nor were any of the people I showed the device to. It really turned people away from it when they realized the target market was teenagers (even though it was an awesome techie&#x27;s device).<p>The terminal program was my favorite part (I was a Unix Systems Architect at the time) and it got a great deal of (ssh) use.<p>I loved reading through the various descriptions of the apps being developed on the developers site (skdr?) and waited so patiently for T-Mobile to give the green light to so many of them (including a super-simple one, the voice-note-recorder), which they never did. I tried to get my own developer status (can&#x27;t remember the term they used) so I could get a key and load the apps directly onto my device (via usb), but that was shortly after T-Mobile had made the process extremely difficult with huge forms to fill out and some catch-22 requirement that you had to already have a program published to get the dev kit (or something like that). I read a <i>lot</i> of complaints about that.<p>The best part of the device was the keyboard. It had the best layout and by far the best feel (and spacing) of any phone thumb-keyboard I&#x27;ve used since. Better than the Nokia N800 (NIT, not phone), better than the original Android G1, even better than the N900. It&#x27;s the only thumb-keyboard I ever used that I could type on without looking at the keyboard, and quickly... far more quickly than anything remotely similar that I&#x27;ve tried.<p>After they cut the service, I used mine as a dumb-phone for a while until the microphone finally stopped working. That forced me to finally get a replacement (my N900).<p>One thing that&#x27;s pretty impressive about the SideKick II... mine is <i>still running</i> (never been rebooted) since before T-mobile cut the service! I&#x27;ve had it plugged in the entire time for fear that if the battery dies, it will lose the games and programs I have installed (it acted sort-of as a thin client and downloaded all apps you had allocated upon powerup).<p>Pretty darned amazing uptime, considering what it was. :)
koonsolo大约 11 年前
I used to create games for the HipTop, and was invited to those &quot;Danger Developer Days&quot;. Really nice people to work with.
nopakos大约 11 年前
Very nice story! Imagine that around the same time, in a parallel universe, Nokia was making the 9210 and 7650 smartphones with similar capabilities. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_9210_Communicator" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Nokia_9210_Communicator</a>
sleepybrett将近 11 年前
He didn&#x27;t mention the coolest bit, which was the crazy fliparound screen. Best nervous tic screen ever.
notlisted将近 11 年前
I loved the HipTop. It really was one of the first &quot;smart&quot; phones on the US market. The article&#x27;s claim &quot;we all started microblogging&#x2F;lifestreaming&quot; needs a little context as it claims credit that I feel belongs to someone else...<p>While Danger had a very basic implementation running internally (pretty cool, see [1]), they surely didn&#x27;t have a clue of the potential&#x2F;value of lifestreaming&#x2F;public status updates.<p>Neither did I. As an initial beta-tester in May&#x2F;June of 2002 I too had developed a HipTop mobile blogging site for private use (CF&#x2F;SQL&#x2F;Email, mostly cat and food shots!) -- demoed it to Om Malik who introduced me to T-Mobile -- but it was really Mike Popovic&#x27;s HipTopNation [2], the first communal moblog launched on Oct. 4th 2002 and his Oct. 31 Halloween Photo Scavenger Hunt that sparked the popularity and showed the potential.<p>After HipTopNation quickly gained traction [3] with 1000+ mobloggers, Danger decided to launch a &quot;hiplog&quot; service&#x2F;site to consumers on Jan 13, 2003 [4]. Joi Ito has a nice timeline [5]<p>[1] <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20041205233554/http://www.spies.com/~jersey/hiptop-pics/index.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.archive.org&#x2F;web&#x2F;20041205233554&#x2F;http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.spies....</a><p>[2] <a href="http://hiptop.bedope.com/index.php?FILTER=zvxr@gevny.qnatre.pbz&amp;GIMME_ENTRY=1" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;hiptop.bedope.com&#x2F;index.php?FILTER=zvxr@gevny.qnatre....</a><p>[3] <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20050915215559/http://www.guardian.co.uk/online/webwatch/story/0,12455,858719,00.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.archive.org&#x2F;web&#x2F;20050915215559&#x2F;http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.guardi...</a><p>[4] <a href="http://joi.ito.com/weblog/2003/01/13/danger-announce.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;joi.ito.com&#x2F;weblog&#x2F;2003&#x2F;01&#x2F;13&#x2F;danger-announce.html</a><p>[5] <a href="http://archive.today/e4Ie#selection-685.35-685.47" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.today&#x2F;e4Ie#selection-685.35-685.47</a>
bmalicoat将近 11 年前
The best part of the hiptop IMO, was the development community. It was ultra tight knit and accepting of newbs. I have many fond memories of side loading apps from skdr.net and eventually reaching the point of uploading my own creations.
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Atlas将近 11 年前
Great read! The cloud services on the Sidekick worked so well that T-Mobile would routinely tell customers to hard reset the phone when even a minor issue occurred.<p>That was all great until a storage area network upgrade failed and destroyed all data for many customers. When those phones stopped synchronizing, T-Mobile recommended a hard reset. That meant the data was gone forever.<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Sidekick_data_loss" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;2009_Sidekick_data_loss</a>
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dasil003将近 11 年前
Having spent 3 years from 2008-2011 biking by the Danger building every day on my way to work in Palo Alto (until one day it unceremoniously changed to Microsoft), but only being vaguely aware of the Sidekick this was quite interesting.
fjarlq大约 11 年前
The main problem I had with my Sidekick was T-mobile&#x27;s crummy coverage, even in the middle of silicon valley. I could endure the slow performance, but the coverage was so spotty in 2004 that I stopped hauling the damn thing around.
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jetzz大约 11 年前
One more random and offtopic question: there was a tv show centering around handheld computers like epson hx20s back in 80s. actors are somehow fighting with bad guys using those devices. Does anyone remember such a show?
doxcf434将近 11 年前
I&#x27;ve yet to see a mobile SSH client that&#x27;s as usable as Terminal Monkey.
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bch将近 11 年前
Of course it runs NetBSD...<p><a href="http://www.hiptop3.com/archives/sidekick-lx-2009-blade-will-run-netbsd" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.hiptop3.com&#x2F;archives&#x2F;sidekick-lx-2009-blade-will-...</a>
yskchu将近 11 年前
Some more history on wikipedia:<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danger_(company)" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Danger_(company)</a>
nicholassmith大约 11 年前
I always wanted a Hiptop but they never really seemed to show up in the UK. Great bit of technology history to read over though.
fulafel将近 11 年前
I never saw these devices. Did they make it to Europe?
threeio将近 11 年前
Awesome read, thanks.
sscalia将近 11 年前
I had a Sidekick Color and a Sidekick II. I also carried a Moto RAZR while I was in high school.<p>The sidekick was a phenomenal device. Battery lasted all day -- I could text and had unlimited data over GPRS (maybe EDGE?) - and I was one of the only students who could Google and read in class. I browsed forums, looked up answers, even started essays on that keyboard.<p>You had a persistent AIM -- and the interface was prettier and more fluid than Android (up to the latest release).<p>What a delight that device was.