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213 点作者 thealphanerd将近 11 年前

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noonespecial将近 11 年前
Complaints about the author, methods, prior art etc aside... I&#x27;ve got a lathe here from the late 80&#x27;s that has CNC. It has tool depth sensing via electrical contact and a bed leveling algorithm. Taking stuff that has existed for 30 years that anyone with community college level machine shop training knows about, tacking &quot;with the 3d printerz!1!!&quot; on and running to the patent office is a <i>giant dick move</i> on the same level as all of the &quot;on the intertubes&quot; patents we&#x27;ve been dealing with.<p>They may have great intentions. Who knows, but boy-howdy if it walks like a troll...
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bryans将近 11 年前
The author claims prior art based on things that were published in 2013, but Makerbot filed their provisional application on October 29, 2012. This also explains why the patent was filed October 29 of 2013, as that would be the last date they can file.<p>I don&#x27;t really care if you hate the patent system, or hate that somebody wants to treat 3D printing as a traditional business instead of altruistically open sourcing all the things. To publicly lambaste a competitor through disinformation just because they don&#x27;t share your personal values is about as classless as it gets. This is open-and-shut witch-hunt territory.
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sitkack将近 11 年前
This whole thing is stupid. Leveling is a problem, &quot;autoing&quot; it is not patent worthy. Lots of things have some solution applied to them to &quot;auto&quot;. This is a case of patenting a problem, not the solution. And if the solution (sensors and actuators) have been applied elsewhere, then there isn&#x27;t anything patentable here. Move on, solve harder problems.<p>The Stewart Platform [0] was invented back in the early 50s, I could apply an SP to <i>any</i> leveling problem. I shouldn&#x27;t be able to patent leveling anything at this point. Leveling is a solved problem. Putting a computer in a feedback loop is a solved problem, one should not be able to patent feedback loops or computers or trivial applications of both.<p>[0] <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stewart_platform" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Stewart_platform</a>
rubiquity将近 11 年前
I&#x27;m completely ignorant here, but when I read a &quot;slew of patents&quot; have been filed, two things come to mind:<p>1. A startup that is trying to raise some funding is filing the patents as a requisite of an investor (it sucks, but it&#x27;s part of the startup&#x2F;investor game)<p>2. A startup that was acquired by a larger company and the acquirer is trying to protect its shiny new purchase<p>I noticed Makerbot was acquired by Stratasys last year so point #2 seems likely. These filings are likely to be more on the behalf of Stratasys than Makerbot. Again, I&#x27;m not saying it&#x27;s right, just saying it isn&#x27;t surprising.
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scoofy将近 11 年前
Shameless plug:<p>Bld3r.com co-founder here.<p>I started working on bld3r, because i was unsatisfied with thingiverse (owned by makerbot&#x2F;stratasys). I&#x27;d like to see the community put a stop to a potential facebook-like hold on 3D model sharing learning since we are learning makerbot is very rapidly changing their culture from open hardware cultural icons, to an anti-social corporate subsidiary.<p>I&#x27;ll hit some fairly basic bullet points:<p>* We are a functional 3D printing repo and social network, and in the top 3 alternatives to thingiverse.<p>* We on github (AGPL), and i&#x27;d happily accept pull requests: <a href="https://github.com/bld3r/bld3r" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;bld3r&#x2F;bld3r</a><p>* We are built on google&#x27;s app engine, so you can take our site and use it as a base for building your own social network and launching it in a couple hours or a couple of days.<p>* One major feature is that you do not have to upload 3d models to us. You can if you want, but you don&#x27;t have to. We&#x27;d actually prefer if people host files elsewhere (via dropbox, github, tpb, etc., even thingiverse). You can then submit a link to your object and it&#x27;ll appear on our front page crowd-sourced with reddit-style voting.<p>* We do not sell 3d printers, so if you do, we&#x27;d love to give you some free advertising while we grow our site. We are currently working on a contest feature, so within a month, if you want to host a contest, you can design what you want on our site, and launch it to promote your printers (Lulzbot was the first of such manufactures to do so, and we are very grateful to them for the notable bump in traffic and name recognition).<p>There are many more things we do to prevent even ourselves from exploiting a network effect in 3D repos.<p>We are not without our warts right now (this is neither of our main occupations, it&#x27;s just a labor of love to keep 3D printing open), but please give the site a visit if you&#x27;re interested. I live in SF and my co-founder lives NYC. We&#x27;d both be happy to get a beer and talk about the site if anyone is interested in using it as a base for another open social network.<p><a href="http://www.bld3r.com" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bld3r.com</a>
e_modad将近 11 年前
Terence is doing something vitally important. 3D printing is likely to be a &quot;next big thing&quot; and we have a duty to ensure the technology stays as open as possible.<p>As a community, we&#x27;re lucky that ideas like &#x27;open source&#x27; and &#x27;freedom to tinker&#x27; are highly valued. Each of us has benefited tremendously from that commitment. But it wasn&#x27;t an accident. Hackers, scientists and engineers have been fighting mini-battles over those ideas since the days of the 60s counter-culture.<p>When I stop and think about it, I feel a lot of gratitude and respect for our colleagues who set the precedent for an open Internet so early on. We have an obligation to pay that precedent forward so that technologies like 3D printing and DIY Bio can develop into vibrant ecosystems like the Internet.
klunger将近 11 年前
OK, a few things.<p>1. Patents are very VERY specific. Someone can have a patent for Thing A and you can make Thing B that is quite similar to Thing A, with just a few minor adjustments, and it is not an infringement. This is why there are tons of patents out there that describe pretty much the same thing, with very minute differences.<p>The takeaway is: just because Makerbot &#x2F; Stratasys is getting a patent on autoleveling does not mean no one else can do autoleveling. It just means they cannot do it the exact same way.<p>2. A patent troll is an entity that has a patent portfolio, but has no actual products related to anything in that portfolio. They make their money by suing people (or bullying little guys into settling out of court).<p>Makerbot &#x2F; Stratasys makes 3D printers. It is not trolling for them to file patents related to 3D printing technology. You might think the patent system is broken or feel that patent filing is not in the spirit of open source hardware (valid points which I personally share), but it is not trolling.<p>So, let&#x27;s not undermine the legitimacy of those criticisms by conflating one particular (arguably douchey) business strategy with patent trolling (another, unarguably douchey strategy).
lotsofmangos将近 11 年前
The reprap ormerod is using an infra-red sensor for bed levelling, so no contact force. <a href="http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/3d-printers/7952333/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;uk.rs-online.com&#x2F;web&#x2F;p&#x2F;3d-printers&#x2F;7952333&#x2F;</a><p>There was a nice bed levelling project I saw on hackaday a couple of years ago that was cool as well, I think their method isn&#x27;t covered by this patent either - <a href="http://hackaday.com/2012/04/23/automated-bed-leveling-with-our-3d-printer/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;hackaday.com&#x2F;2012&#x2F;04&#x2F;23&#x2F;automated-bed-leveling-with-o...</a><p>Also, the idea of bed leveling using contact force and other methods was discussed in the reprap forums at least as far back as January 2008 - <a href="http://forums.reprap.org/read.php?1,8028" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;forums.reprap.org&#x2F;read.php?1,8028</a>
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bernardom将近 11 年前
Business reality: patent trolls exist.<p>Rational strategy: patent things that you think you have no business patenting. Use for defensive purposes.<p>If Makerbot starts using such patents <i>offensively</i>, then anger is warranted. Not before.
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higherpurpose将近 11 年前
Does prior art, even backed by concrete proof, still matter now that US also has a &quot;First to file&quot; patent system?
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jamesdullaghan将近 11 年前
Does anyone care to explain to me why there is no patent service that takes care of this process for open projects for protection of said projects? A patent would be granted under an open entity, but never used, unless a company used the patent for closed source. It seems that this could be a great way to fund open source projects. Reverse patent trolling.
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the_watcher将近 11 年前
Has MakerBot acted on any of these patents? If they are acquiring them defensively (a good move if they plan on working on them, lest a patent troll file the patent), I don&#x27;t have a big problem with this. Of course, assuming altruistic motives is naive, I just wonder what their motives are.
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