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A Statement About Mahbod’s Annotations on Elliot Rodger’s Manifesto

126 点作者 ovechtrick将近 11 年前

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tptacek将近 11 年前
I can appreciate RG&#x27;s leadership having the self-awareness to see the need to make an Adult Decision in this case, but I think it&#x27;s probably a mistake for them to continue hosting the Rodgers diary.<p>Contrary to Moghadam&#x27;s comments, the diary is not particularly well-written. It&#x27;s long, repetitive, weirdly detailed (the author recounts meals eaten years ago), and studded with evidence of psychopathy.<p>RG&#x27;s style of annotation works extremely well for some kinds of writing --- song lyrics, The Great Gatsby, TS Eliot poems. What I think those things have in common is that they&#x27;re hospitable to &quot;riffing&quot; and cross-linking; for instance, the lyrics to the ICP song where they come out of the closet as religious are totally incongruous until RG annotations inform you that they&#x27;re reprised lyrics from previous ICP songs.<p>But riffing on Rodgers diary doesn&#x27;t serve the same purpose, at least so close to the event. It is instead a minefield; almost anything you can say risks diminishing the tragedy, or misapprehending how the mind of a deeply mentally ill person functions, or, god help us, using the output of that mind as a platform on which to build suggestions on changing our culture.<p>There may be some point at which RG annotations will add value to this terribly sad artifact of Elliot Rodgers, but it probably won&#x27;t be in 2014.
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JumpCrisscross将近 11 年前
Context: <a href="http://gawker.com/rap-genius-co-founders-creepy-comments-on-elliot-rodger-1581469310" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;gawker.com&#x2F;rap-genius-co-founders-creepy-comments-on-...</a><p>Mahbod compliments several of Rodger&#x27;s sentences as &quot;artful&quot; and&#x2F;or &quot;beautifully written&quot;. That is okay, if ill-timed. One can make a stylistic statement about <i>Mein Kampf</i> without endorsing its message.<p>He also, however, speculates that Rodger&#x27;s &quot;sister is smokin&#x27; hot.&quot; That is violently inappropriate, particularly given the misogynistic nature of Elliot&#x27;s crimes.
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nightpool将近 11 年前
Personally, I think this is a long time coming. Like, Tom, I have nothing but respect for Maboo, but I think many, many people have raised the point that his, for lack of a better word, &quot;antics&quot; are holding the site back. I know a lot of people in the HN community have been sharply critical of him, and for good reason. Maybe that&#x27;s the main driver here, and Maboo&#x27;s absolutely inappropriate response is the catalyst.
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minimaxir将近 11 年前
Mahbod has been fired (i.e. not &quot;resigned&quot;) due to these comments.<p><a href="http://recode.net/2014/05/26/rap-genius-co-founder-moghadam-fired/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;recode.net&#x2F;2014&#x2F;05&#x2F;26&#x2F;rap-genius-co-founder-moghadam-...</a>
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rl3将近 11 年前
Obviously Mahbod&#x27;s latest annotations were inappropriate. Based on his past behavior, these recent antics should not come as much of a surprise.<p>As an aside, it has always amazed me how many people over the years have failed to realize Rap Genius&#x27; gimmick is just that, a gimmick. It&#x27;s their attempt at using an admittedly off-color flavor of comedy to build their brand. Said brand is heavily rooted in rap, which is one of the most politically incorrect and offensive mediums of pop culture in existence today.<p>It stands to reason that when the Rap Genius founders are <i>in character</i>, their behavior should not be taken literally as a reflection of who they really are.<p>A good example of this is when they were featured on stage at TechCrunch Disrupt 2013:<p><a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5773556" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=5773556</a><p>Most people simply took them literally, became offended, and jumped on the revulsion bandwagon. Others understood that the RG guys were essentially mocking the startup scene and the rap scene at the same time, in effect making fun of themselves.<p>---<p>In Mahbod&#x27;s case specifically, it seemed like he was aiming for humor that went right up to the line but didn&#x27;t cross it. Unfortunately, comedy is a hit-or-miss endeavor and some of the misses were bound to cross that line. Add to that his medical issues potentially adversely affecting his judgement, and it&#x27;s no wonder.<p>Was what he said inappropriate? Absolutely.<p>Should he have been fired for it? Debatable.<p>Should we assume he&#x27;s a terrible human being (as some other comments have implied)? Certainly not.
darkrabbi将近 11 年前
Apparently this guy had a brain tumor and this wasn&#x27;t the first time he&#x27;s publicly embarrassed the company. He tweeted from the RapGenius account &quot;WARREN BUFFETT CAN SUCK MY DICK&quot;.<p><a href="http://www.fastcompany.com/3021564/most-creative-people/how-a-brain-tumor-made-the-cofounder-of-rap-genius-rethink-business" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.fastcompany.com&#x2F;3021564&#x2F;most-creative-people&#x2F;how-...</a><p><a href="http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2013/02/22/rap_genius_warren_buffett_feud_why_does_mahbod_moghadam_hate_the_wizard.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.slate.com&#x2F;blogs&#x2F;browbeat&#x2F;2013&#x2F;02&#x2F;22&#x2F;rap_genius_wa...</a>
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coldtea将近 11 年前
&gt;<i>but went beyond that into gleeful insensitivity and misogyny. All of which is contrary to everything we’re trying to accomplish at Rap Genius.</i><p>Yeah, because otherwise most rap is all about sensitivity and feminism. I mean, they&#x27;d never embrace Ice Cube&#x27;s records there, right?<p>I just see corporate drones fearing for their dollars because of the backslash against this guy&#x27;s annotations.<p>The noble thing to do would have been to stand behind their colleague. I&#x27;d take a &quot;misogynist&quot; over backstabbing people throwing their friends to the lions. At least a misogynist could either be joking or made to change his mind about women. But their actions are all for personal interests and their bottom line.
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cheetos将近 11 年前
Who are RapGenius&#x27; investors? Who is bankrolling these people?
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arfliw将近 11 年前
Sounds like somebody wanted to get rid of a co-founder and found a great opportunity to do it.
onewaystreet将近 11 年前
If it was just the annotations I&#x27;d be surprised, but this is just another incident by Mahbod that has caused RapGenius bad press. It was the last straw.
gordonguthrie将近 11 年前
But they are still turning violence against women into page views.
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angersock将近 11 年前
I wish they had they shown the annotations that caused the firing. The Valleywag link elsewhere has one screenshot, but other than being in poor taste I&#x27;m not sure why this rates a firing&#x2F;step down.
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