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42 点作者 AmadKamali将近 11 年前

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dang将近 11 年前
A dupe of <a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7907535" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=7907535</a>.
3pt14159将近 11 年前
Imagine it&#x27;s 1940 or 1950 and someone starts asking &quot;Who is going to own the computers?&quot;<p>The answer is that everyone is going to own different robots. The whole point is that a robot is going to be so much more efficient than a human, that for less than 1&#x2F;50th the cost of a median house a human could buy a robot that could create enough economic production for his whole life.<p>There will be challenges, since many people live paycheque to paycheque, but ultimately a very simple Basic Income (backed on land taxes, ideally) would catch those that would fall in the cracks.<p>I used to worry about robots a lot more, but I don&#x27;t really anymore. The rich just want the poor out of the way while they become more rich &#x2F; powerful. The most effective way of doing that is to just pay the poor people off while they start organizing greater and greater things.<p>The real thing I&#x27;m worried about is actually hard AI. I can&#x27;t predict its motivations.<p>Edit: You guys fundamentally don&#x27;t get it because you don&#x27;t understand that I&#x27;m arguing about <i>economics</i>.<p>&gt; This isn&#x27;t a question of who is going to own a dishwashing robot. Its a question of who is going to own the means of production.<p>People are going to, at the very least, own their own means of production. Look at it from an economics standpoint, at the margin, why would I buy a chair rather than get my semi-intelligent android robot to cut down a tree, plank it, and build it. The chair would have to be essentially free. Then who cares who owns the means to production. At the margin I could always revert to having my personal robot build it.<p>Furthermore, I would argue that most of the computers that make most of the value in the world are owned largely by everybody. I have a computer that I use to make hundreds of thousands of dollars a year on, and it will be the same with robots. People with vision will direct machines of greater sophistication towards and end they desire.<p>Whether you own something or rent it is always going to be a economic decision. I own my Macbook Pro and I installed Ubuntu on it, but even if I was renting it, that doesn&#x27;t change the fundamental nature of what I&#x27;m saying.<p>I used to think that we were marching towards this awful grey future where 99.9% of people were going to be treated like cattle and ultra-corps were going to be running the world with all their machines. Most people talk like this is what&#x27;s coming, and, barring AI, I no long think this is the case.<p>Edit2: I wrote my first edit when I had negative points, now it seems to have positive points, which is why I opened up the edit with &quot;you guys don&#x27;t get it&quot;.
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vegancap将近 11 年前
The premise of this article is entirely wrong. We haven&#x27;t had a &#x27;massive deregulation&#x27;, taxes across the west have rose, as has regulation and centralisation. THAT is why conditions for workers have declined. THAT is why the rich have gotten richer and the poor have gotten poorer.
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