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British rocket scientist says he's designed a better saucepan

95 点作者 rk0567将近 11 年前

16 条评论

sirgawain33将近 11 年前
This article is a great example of NIH syndrome.<p>You can get the same improvement with &quot;About $5 of materials and an hour of time.&quot; [1]<p>That&#x27;s by Dale Andreatta, a mechanical engineer that&#x27;s been tinkering with improved stoves for decades. But he&#x27;s not the only one, there are plenty of pot tweaks that achieve comparable or better the the improvements cites in the article.<p>Like many commenters below bring up, there are other design constraints to cooking technology than raw throughput -- performance at low temperature, manufacturing complexity, ease of cleaning, evenness of heating, performance under varying ambient conditions (humidity, wind, temp).<p>I encountered many such rocket scientists (literally) while designing improved stoves over the last few years. The engineering of stoves only superficially resembles the engineering of jet engines: the quantities are all different (low flow rate, low pressures, lower temperatures) and, as a result, the overall drivers of performance are very different (for example, stove to pot efficiency is largely governed by excess air control, NOT surface area)<p>A good example is that I got many recommendations to add &quot;swirlers&quot; [2] to stoves to improve mixing and reduce output CO. This works great in a jet, but it&#x27;s useless in a stove: there&#x27;s not enough pressure generated by natural draft to make the device effective.<p>[1] pg. 14 <a href="http://www.vrac.iastate.edu/ethos/files/ethos2008/Sat%20AM%20Classroom%201/Andreatta%20A%20Study%20of%20Heat%20Transfer%20in%20Finned%20Pots.pdf" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.vrac.iastate.edu&#x2F;ethos&#x2F;files&#x2F;ethos2008&#x2F;Sat%20AM%2...</a><p>[2] <a href="https://www.google.com/search?q=swirlers+jet+engine&amp;espv=2&amp;tbm=isch&amp;tbo=u&amp;source=univ&amp;sa=X&amp;ei=DgnDU6v9CozqoATUxYHgAw&amp;ved=0CDcQsAQ&amp;biw=1460&amp;bih=1148" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.google.com&#x2F;search?q=swirlers+jet+engine&amp;espv=2&amp;t...</a>
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carlob将近 11 年前
According to the video in the product pages [1] the creator of this pan came up with the idea on a mountaineering trip because &quot;it takes forever to boil water at high altitude&quot;.<p>What?! Isn&#x27;t it the other way around? Lower atmospheric pressure means that water boils at significantly lower temperature [2].<p>[1] <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&amp;v=lKvbVJasGXc#t=29" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?feature=player_detailpage&amp;v=lK...</a><p>[2] <a href="http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=boiling%20temperature%20of%20water%20at%202000%20m" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wolframalpha.com&#x2F;input&#x2F;?i=boiling%20temperature%2...</a>
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dsirijus将近 11 年前
Am I mistaken or, at [1], it can be noticed that a lot of heat goes into handle?<p>[1] <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&amp;v=lKvbVJasGXc#t=95" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?feature=player_embedded&amp;v=lKvb...</a>
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rquantz将近 11 年前
The article doesn&#x27;t mention how the saucepan performs at low heat, which is a pretty important part of cooking. Especially if you don&#x27;t have a great stove, the low end of the heat range will often be too hot, and so you rely on having a good, heavy, low conductivity pan that will keep its contents from getting too hot.<p>Boiling water quickly is nice, but ruining your custard because it boils is very not nice.
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marcosscriven将近 11 年前
Looking at this immediately made me think of my induction hob back home in London. I think they&#x27;re popular in Asia, but not at all in UK.<p>I think in the UK people get them mixed up with other forms of electric hobs. I take great delight in placing a piece of paper on one of the rings, placing a pan of water on top, and turning it on full blast. Visitors are amazed when the water boils extremely quickly, and the paper is just slightly warmed.<p>So IMO induction is far more controllable, efficient, and faster than gas, not to mention so much easier to clean, and even a better pan for gas isn&#x27;t going to change that.
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geon将近 11 年前
...But only for gas stoves. It would be interesting to see a map of the preferred stove technologies.
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pbhjpbhj将近 11 年前
Is channelling the hot combustion gases up the side more efficient than having a recessed or concave bottom (e.g. a flange that fits down around the circumference with insets to fit the grid on which the pan rests)?
gjvc将近 11 年前
&quot;Already the new design has won the 2014 Hawley Award from the Worshipful Company of Engineers, a British professional group.&quot;<p>These people don&#x27;t seem to care that nobody in their right mind buys aluminium cookware.
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awjr将近 11 年前
I&#x27;d like to see the benefit of each pan type analysed. If the fins are on the sides of the pan, then I can see there being little benefit on a frying pan.<p>I&#x27;m sort of disappointed this is patented and only available on a saucepan costing £60+. It&#x27;s the type of invention that would specifically benefit poorer house holds.<p>As an &#x27;evolution&#x27; of this, what would the impact of a cpu heat sink &#x27;vortex&#x27; base have on the efficiency of a pan. Go crazy and have a double skinned pan (attached by many internal fins), then vent the hot air up through the gap between the pans via the &#x27;vortex&#x27;.<p>Now I know cleaning this could be an issue...but I&#x27;m assuming you would capture quite a high amount of the heat from the burning gas.
showthrow将近 11 年前
&quot;the super pan was developed by astronauts who quit the space program to devote their LIVES to developing PANS!&quot;<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQAFv1sI6TU&amp;feature=kp" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=HQAFv1sI6TU&amp;feature=kp</a>
beloch将近 11 年前
This kind of pot should cool down its contents significantly faster than a normal pot too. Whether that&#x27;s an advantage or disadvantage probably depends on the application though.
Tloewald将近 11 年前
I&#x27;m not convinced that even heat up the sides is actually what cooks want from a pot, certainly not always. I can&#x27;t say I&#x27;ve ever thought, as I was cooking, what this pot needs is heat distributed up the sides. It also presimably makes the pots heavier, harder to clean, and hotter to handle.
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vanderZwan将近 11 年前
I&#x27;m a bit disappointed it solves one problem in isolation (heat transfer from gas to pan) and not much else.<p>Having said that, I wonder how it would combine with pot skirts and fireless cookers?<p><a href="http://www.lowtechmagazine.com/2014/07/cooking-pot-insulation-key-to-sustainable-cooking.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.lowtechmagazine.com&#x2F;2014&#x2F;07&#x2F;cooking-pot-insulatio...</a>
WalterBright将近 11 年前
Jet engines are not rocket engines, and scientists are not engineers.<p>Source: JP121 at Caltech
venomsnake将近 11 年前
Good luck stirring in that.
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personZ将近 11 年前
Much greater surface area, so that part makes sense at least for flame-based cooking. I doubt it offers any benefit for non-flame-based cooking (elements, ceramic, etc. It might actually be a detriment because it would dissipate more energy. It goes both ways).<p>It looks like the inside of the pan has the same fins, which makes sense otherwise they&#x27;d have uneven thicknesses. That would be a serious cleaning issue.
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