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Google+ now lets you use any name you want

407 点作者 srathi将近 11 年前

63 条评论

debt将近 11 年前
Ha, what a disaster G+ has to be for Google. They must kind of be looking at it like &quot;ew what do we do with this thing now?&quot;<p>They should&#x27;ve taken a more holistic and serious approach to bringing your offline identity online. Instead they tried to copy FB. They should&#x27;ve just called it Google Identity(with the same level of seriousness as Youtube&#x27;s copyright protection product: Content ID) and provided real-life perks with associating say your Driver&#x27;s license number with it which maybe would allow me to renew my driver&#x27;s license much more quickly. I don&#x27;t know. G+ is just <i>weak</i>.<p>I mean at the end of the day, they DO have your identity. I&#x27;m sure their algorithms could within a certainly small margin of error determine who I am to a reasonably high degree of probability based on nothing other than lines in a bunch of log files(DoubleClick Ad requests on various sites, YouTube video watch times, Google Searches based on time of day&#x2F;location, mobile usage, etc); again, regardless of where or when or how I use Google(i.e. using igonito browsers, using a friend&#x27;s phone, using a computer an internet cafe, etc.). So why not throw all that information under one umbrella, Google Identity, and provide it to me once I claim it.<p>They&#x27;re likely able to treat online &quot;behavior&quot; as essentially unique online fingerprints and can just associate that with individual users; that is, they don&#x27;t really need uniquely identifying data(unique IDs, usernames, etc.), they just need to watch your online activity(regardless of if you&#x27;re logged in or have identifying cookies, etc.) for a while in order to identify you.<p>I assume it&#x27;s because consumers probably aren&#x27;t ready to know just how much data Google actually has on them AND how much information can be extracted from said data. It&#x27;s likely pretty accurate and pretty scary.
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x1798DE将近 11 年前
Finally.<p>I know it&#x27;s a bit childish, but for my pseudonymous Google account, I kept getting these notices that they were going to disable my Google+ account unless I gave them my real name, unless I could show them documentation proving that the pseudonym was my legal name, so I just found some pictures of middle fingers and that sort of thing and photoshopped them onto a photo of a license and submitted that. They give you a few chances to submit something, so I had a little fun picking out new insulting pictures for a while, until I got bored of it (which was almost instantly).<p>Obviously it wasn&#x27;t going to have any effect other than to virtually flip off some random person being paid to check IDs, but it was at least cathartic in the face of such a stupid, stupid policy.
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drzaiusapelord将近 11 年前
Google is in an ugly place right now. Not only are they beholden to the advertising agency they are now the poster boy for all the NSA spying and other controversies because of their massive information footprint, real name policies, constant nagging for phone numbers in gmail, etc.<p>Apple and others have positioned itself as privacy friendly as well, which is a double whammy.<p>I&#x27;d love to see G+ be the seedy version of Facebook. Fake names, nudity, etc. You can&#x27;t beat facebook by being facebook.<p>Hopefully, &quot;real names everywhere&quot; is a fad that is dying. The search engines and employers of the world don&#x27;t need to know my every political thought or see my every vacation photo. Zuckerberg&#x27;s idea of the internet exists only because its profitable for him. In every other respect its insane.
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edoloughlin将近 11 年前
&quot;For this we apologize&quot;<p>There&#x27;s a lot of sniping at Google here, but I think they deserve some kudos for using the A word in corporate communications.
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bane将近 11 年前
I pretty much grew up on-line. I got into BBSs when 1200 baud was considered fast. The basics of having on-line identities really have changed all that much in all that time. To newer generations it&#x27;s even more natural. When I see companies completely screw up basic stuff like this, I wonder if these decisions are being made by people who were never really part of the on-line world and fundamentally don&#x27;t &quot;get&quot; it?<p>The people at Google making these decisions aren&#x27;t some 75 year old fuddy duddy luddites, they&#x27;re about my age and they&#x27;re running one of the most important properties in that world. Screwing up something as basic as this has just seemed so...<i>weird</i>. I can only imagine that the final say-so came from somebody&#x2F;people who fundamentally didn&#x27;t grow up with the same kind of comfort and experience I did on-line and really doesn&#x27;t understand it.<p>But then again, my parents, who never even used a computer until the 2000s, and never even got on-line until 2003 or 2004 get it. It seems to obvious as soon as you jump on-line that you are both empowered and need to have on-line identities that you can control.<p>I really wonder if the people at the top are really part of the on-line world, or just completely removed from it and spend their time wondering about all these digital ants in the digital ant farm and wondering what we&#x27;re all about?
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a3n将近 11 年前
&quot;When we launched Google+ over three years ago, we had a lot of restrictions on what name you could use on your profile. This helped create a community made up of real people, but it also excluded a number of people who wanted to be part of it without using their real names.&quot;<p>I <i>wanted</i> to use my real name. My legal, backed by a name change order, mononymic name.<p>After watching them fumble it, trying to use a space or a dot, and being told to gtfo or change it to a &quot;real&quot; name (and once again, fuck you very hard Google, even the TSA is able to deal with this), I left.<p>And now I&#x27;m looking around for the giant hole in my life that can finally be filled by G+. ... looking ... looking ...
eco将近 11 年前
I kind of wish Google would have let you pick which display name to use on a per-circle basis. Then I could use a pseudonym with strangers, a nickname with friends, and my real name with family.
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kevinalexbrown将近 11 年前
I suspect the outrage had more to do with signalling than the specific issue of pseudonyms.<p>I also suspect that signalling will become more important for web companies than most hardware companies, because I am more directly affected by what happens behind the scenes with web companies than say, a skateboard manufacturer. It&#x27;s difficult to infer behind the scenes - what are they doing w&#x2F; my data, etc - without using some signals, like not allowing pseudonyms.<p>I imagine that startups face this most dramatically, because their product is so fragile and indefinite that signalling is used to forecast where things are headed before I invest significant time and money. This goes for all kinds of signalling - how likely are they to end the product, to lose funding and shut down, to dramatically increase prices, etc.<p>Is this true, or did most outraged (or just indifferent, but not excited) users really dislike the pseudonym policy itself?
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pessimizer将近 11 年前
&gt;We know that our names policy has been unclear, and this has led to some unnecessarily difficult experiences for some of our users.<p>Was their names policy ever unclear, or are they pretending that this was all just a misunderstanding?
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zyxley将近 11 年前
And yet it still expects you to put in a first name and a last name. How very Anglocentric.
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jack-r-abbit将近 11 年前
I had no problem with the &quot;G+ uses real names&quot; thing since I just viewed it as another option for Facebook that never really took off. I did have an issue with them forcing everything to use a G+ profile. I quit leaving reviews in the Play Store because of that. And not that I ever really commented on YouTube videos but once that change was forced, it never even crossed my mind to comment. I think they should have kept G+ as &quot;real names&quot; and split all the other stuff back away so they didn&#x27;t require real names. But I do understand why people want to use other names. I just never used G+ like that.
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pkorzeniewski将近 11 年前
Funny how they make it sound like it was all planned, rather than &quot;This was stupid idea that made many, who wanted to stay anonymous, avoid using G+&quot;. I remember when G+ launched and almost everyone was criticizing this idea - maybe they should listen to the majority of potential users and G+ wouldn&#x27;t be such ghost-town?
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incision将近 11 年前
Now the handful of people who&#x27;ve been waiting on such a change to start using G+ can see be immediately disappointed with how half-assed it is.<p>I say this as someone with what seems to be an above average engagement with and opinion of G+.<p>Circles and communities are solid concepts that could work well, but the busted functionality for posting and commenting severely limits content and conversation.<p>Nobody, not even Google puts effort into G+ profiles. It&#x27;s just another target for dumping links and hopefully driving some clicks back to your actual site&#x2F;community.
thristian将近 11 年前
Great, now my online friends can find me by the name they know me by, rather than my real-world name.<p>Or they could, if I hadn&#x27;t deleted my G+ profile a year or two ago, in favour of just hanging out with them in the original venues I met them in.
mindcrime将近 11 年前
I wanted to like Google+. Hell, I still <i>want</i> to like Google+. And it&#x27;s still better than Facebook in some ways, IMO. But there are just a couple of nagging issues that are such big turn-offs that I can&#x27;t stand visiting G+.<p>For one, the two-column stream layout is a steaming pile of shit with no rhyme or reason to the layout and selection of items you see. And the single-column layout wastes so much space with those huge empty spaces on either side of the stream, that it just about drives me batshit crazy.<p>Add in the fact that they have shown zero interest in giving the world a usable API, and no support for open standards (no RSS&#x2F;Atom, no OpenSocial, no ActivityStrea.ms, no FOAF, etc.) and G+ - for me - falls so far short of its potential.<p>It makes me sad, as I was really hoping Google would come along and give us a truly awesome alternative to Facebook and they fumbled the ball.
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tn13将近 11 年前
Is there an opposite of &quot;Streisand effect&quot; ? If not then we might as well call it G+ effect.<p>Google took some unreasonable steps to make G+ popular that is precisely why I stopped using G+. After G+ I have not commented on any of the YoutTube videos. When Google started uploading every photo on my android device to Google+ and downloaded all PicasaWeb albums on my phone I switched to a fake Google id to be used on my phone. I now use Flikr instead of Picasaweb (now G+).<p>I now have around 6 fake Google Ids just to make sure Google+ does not put all my info in 1 place.<p>I am waiting for the day Google will make G+ Compulsory for using Chrome.
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f055将近 11 年前
So they got to a meeting and said: &quot;Listen guys, if allowing nick names won&#x27;t jumpstart Google+ then I don&#x27;t know what will. It&#x27;s either this or we&#x27;ll close the damn thing.&quot; 18 months from now, we&#x27;ll read about the all-along-planned integration of G+ into Gmail, Drive or YouTube :P
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hysan将近 11 年前
While a step in the right direction, Google&#x27;s move to force real names AND the integration of G+ into their various services over the past few years has killed all of my goodwill towards anything Google. So, what I&#x27;m wondering is how does Google plan on rebuilding that lost goodwill? An apology is a nice gesture, but it doesn&#x27;t make me trust the company. Nor does it fix any of the various screwed up UX issues due to the forced integration of G+ everywhere.
barking将近 11 年前
I have an anonymous identity on YouTube as well as a readily identifiable one on gmail and it&#x27;s been ticking me off no end the way, it seems that, google is always trying to trick me into replacing the former with the latter on youtube.<p>Will this end now too?
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dcc1将近 11 年前
Wow the whole post reads as if they planned it all along.<p>When it reality it seems like this is a last ditch attempt to save the wreck that google+ has become.
iandanforth将近 11 年前
I almost never read posts on G+. Looking at this one reminds me why. Only 16 (16!) percent of the available area is devoted to the post content. On larger screens it would be worse. What a nightmare.
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darklajid将近 11 年前
Bwahaha..<p>Okay, now which number do I call to get my account (moved _from_ my full name to &#x27;Ben .&#x27; in protest during the nymwars) unblocked? I mean.. I&#x27;m not even sure I&#x27;d care at this point but are they even thinking of all the blocked users? Or do I need to send in my government issued ID to get my profile unblocked so that I can .. move away from my real name..??<p>Actually I just visited plus.google.com and surprisingly enough I wasn&#x27;t greeted by the loop of death (previously I had a page that said that I&#x27;m blocked, with a link saying &quot;You can check here why&quot;, which redirected to the very same page). Now I can &quot;upgrade&quot; and enroll. It seems.<p>I .. need to provide a first name and a last name though.. How does that compute? Why can&#x27;t I be &quot;Ben&quot; or &quot;Randomthingyhere&quot;? Real names aren&#x27;t required, but first and last names are?<p>Can&#x27;t. Stop. Laughing.
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zmmmmm将近 11 年前
So this seems like a first concrete sign of a change in direction since Vic&#x27;s moving on. After arguing passionately against their real name policy for so long it feels strange now that they have actually done it. On the one hand it&#x27;s a hopeful sign, but on the other hand it reminds me of companies that open source their products only after they decided it failed. Is this a sign Google is positively steering G+ in a new direction or have they just given up and decided now they don&#x27;t care any more they should just off load the bad PR of the real name policy? At least now I might start reviewing and rating Android apps again now that my real name isn&#x27;t going to be publicly displayed to the developer.
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trhway将近 11 年前
what is the fuss about? My version of &quot;Ivan Ivanovich Ivanov&quot; (translation: &quot;John J Johnson&quot;) was ok on Facebook, Google+, etc... yesterday, ok today and will be ok tomorrow :)<p>I have never used my real name on Internet except for the LinkedIn (where obviously i have nothing that can be construed as an opinion of any sort :) and cases where i had to enter my CC&#x2F;bank info.<p>Ability to maintain several identities is the gift of the Internet, an additional virtual dimension added to our lives. Why wouldn&#x27;t we explore it? Why voluntarily confine ourselves to the plain boring and sterile world of &quot;real name policy&quot; places like FB?
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higherpurpose将近 11 年前
What does this really change? I mean seriously. Google is the company that lets you &quot;turn off web history&quot;, and then goes ahead and <i>tracks it anyway</i>. Do you have Do Not Track enabled in Chrome? Tough luck. It&#x27;s just for show there, because Google doesn&#x27;t respect it.<p>So how am I to believe that using a different name and e-mail address on Google+, Google won&#x27;t know I&#x27;m the same person, because of all of their tracking from Chrome, Youtube, search, and so on?<p>And if they do that, then how is this any different than using an &quot;alias&quot; right now on Google+? This seems more like a PR move from Google.
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Aldo_MX将近 11 年前
My favorite part, is when they tried to sell us the idea that the real name enforcement was the best improvement that could happen to youtube.<p>I would had preferred a sincere apology for screwing things up, was it really hard to admit failure??? Even Microsoft has apologized for previous failues like Windows 8 and Internet Explorer!!!<p>But anyway... with this announcement Google+, and in general, any Google-owned public website like Youtube has lost any credibility to me.
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mladenkovacevic将近 11 年前
I wonder if this was done to appease the existing YouTube users that refused connect the account to a Google+ account with their real name.<p>Anybody who was already on Google+ didn&#x27;t mind the real-name policy, but they certainly weren&#x27;t going to tell millions of YouTube people &quot;Sorry we don&#x27;t have a place for you anymore.&quot;<p>I am still skeptical that many YouTube members will create Google+ profiles as a result of this.
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kevinwang将近 11 年前
Man, this is way too late. Definitely feel bad for Google about Google+.
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pacomerh将近 11 年前
I still like G+ but this comes a little too late
moomin将近 11 年前
Great, now I can use my secret identity there. Admittedly, pretty much anything is effectively secret when I use G+.
guest666将近 11 年前
Google still won&#x27;t allow their users to use the url name as my nickname<p>for example, my email is guest666@gmail.com, i want to use url plus.google.com&#x2F;+guest666, but google won&#x27;t allow me to do that, even when guest666 is available to be claim. They force me to use +(my name)
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yuhong将近 11 年前
I wrote this submission, notice I emphasized the irony: <a href="http://slashdot.org/submission/1778830/google-is-gagging-user-advocates" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;slashdot.org&#x2F;submission&#x2F;1778830&#x2F;google-is-gagging-use...</a><p>And for the record, I don&#x27;t like real name policies but I also don&#x27;t like it when people have to use throwaways or pseudonyms either. For example, I still remember this: <a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7809766" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=7809766</a>
hendersoon将近 11 年前
I want to be able to change my Google+ name to a nickname, not showing my real name at all. And I want my gmail email to still come from my real name. As far as I can tell, there is no way to do that.
lugg将近 11 年前
And once again they miss the point that so many of us never touched google plus over.<p>The name thing was a big deal for many, but for far more was the banning itself.<p>Getting banned on google plus for whatever google decides on a whim is against its terms of use that day (e.g. stupid name policy) will also nuke your gmail.<p>Far too many people were dependent on a free service with zero guarantees back then, many still are - there is just no reason to risk losing your gmail over cat updates when facebook is completely separate.
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viraptor将近 11 年前
&gt; but it also excluded a number of people who wanted to be part of it without using their real names.<p>And people who didn&#x27;t mind using their real names but were worried that Google won&#x27;t think they&#x27;re real enough and block their access to all services they used for years. They failed hard on that one, but now it&#x27;s not even mentioned anymore. I&#x27;m slightly disappointed they just want to sweep that under the rug...
weitzj将近 11 年前
Maye they finally reached a critical mass in their social graph of real people that it might be possible to match the anonymous, active people.
ianstallings将近 11 年前
I won&#x27;t say that having my name keeps me from saying stupid things, but I do tone it down and work towards more positive posts because of it. Just like I <i>try</i> to do here (and often fail due to a huge, yet stupid, ego). I think everyone should have a choice but I encourage everyone to use their real name.
stonogo将近 11 年前
I&#x27;m not interested in using a web service that &quot;lets&quot; me do things I can already do without it.
zak_mc_kracken将近 11 年前
&gt; We know that our names policy has been unclear<p>No, Google, your names policy was never unclear, it was crystal clear and also completely moronic.<p>Glad to see you finally see the light, even if you won&#x27;t acknowledge that you&#x27;re simply correcting a mistake that everybody else but you saw.
theophrastus将近 11 年前
ah the final act before G+ is shut down in favor of G++
hereonbusiness将近 11 年前
Next step, remove G+ from Youtube. More specifically, use G+ for authentication but bring back Youtube accounts. Alternatively maybe add a site&#x2F;application specific alias option to G+.<p>I don&#x27;t want to have 2 G+ accounts (like I have now) for no real reason.
hashberry将近 11 年前
I refuse to become emotionally invested in G+ because Google is infamous for shutting down products that aren&#x27;t used by the majority of its users. Reading all the negative comments from this post reaffirms my decision.
CaRDiaK将近 11 年前
Twitter = Perceptions,<p>Facebook = People,<p>Google+ = Passions.<p>Each have their respective place. I like G+ and I actually get quite a lot out of it. It took some real time investment to fully appreciate it. I hope it doesn&#x27;t go the way of the dodo or reader though.
phazmatis将近 11 年前
Ah, they finally realized that there are non-trollish cases where people want to express a thought online without having it indexed and searchable by everyone they ever meet in life.<p>Or they just want to compete with facebook...
bhartzer将近 11 年前
Just as the NSTIC was defunded, Google changes it&#x27;s real name policy.
aestetix将近 11 年前
Happy #nymwars anniversary, Google!<p>Finally.
taksintik将近 11 年前
I&#x27;m actually really starting to like g+ .. Took me a while but it far superior to any other social network.. The problem for me is still trusting google with that much Data.
badloginagain将近 11 年前
Thank you, no. My account is going to remain deactivated.
smegel将近 11 年前
Why bother, it will be shut down by years end anyway.
agumonkey将近 11 年前
This wouldn&#x27;t have been that bad if they didn&#x27;t accept obviously fake names such as &#x27;agu monkey&#x27;.
shmerl将近 11 年前
Really? Diaspora* did that from the start.
kyro将近 11 年前
Thanks for leading the way here, Google.
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mrcharles将近 11 年前
This will be a great feature for 2011!
frik将近 11 年前
So Google+ wants to pivot to become MySpace? The only problem their G+ brand is weak and uncool.
leke将近 11 年前
Just changed my name to Northern Lights. They still pissed and whined when I tried.
znowi将近 11 年前
&quot;We shoved this product up your ass real hard, but we still failed to compete with Facebook. Today, we are taking the last step: allowing you to choose any name you want. We hope to gain a little bit of Internet karma with this before we become irrelevant.&quot;
saraid216将近 11 年前
Wow. That&#x27;s a lot of comments being unhappy about the change.
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egypturnash将近 11 年前
Too little, too late.
ulfw将近 11 年前
Backpedaling is the name of the game...
praeivis将近 11 年前
Awesome changes, just 3 years too late.
smegel将近 11 年前
so YouTube comments are back?
bane将近 11 年前
Whatever.
bhartzer将近 11 年前
I don&#x27;t know about you, but I have no problem using my real name. Anywhere.
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