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Income Inequality Is Falling Globally

42 点作者 dean将近 11 年前

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jvm将近 11 年前
To all the doubters, real manufacturing wages in China have actually been soaring over the past decades, this is corroborated across non-correlated sources:<p>PRC Government numbers: <a href="http://www.tradingeconomics.com/china/wages-in-manufacturing" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.tradingeconomics.com&#x2F;china&#x2F;wages-in-manufacturing</a> <a href="http://www.marketwatch.com/story/china-wages-jump-in-2012-despite-slowing-economy-2013-05-17" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.marketwatch.com&#x2F;story&#x2F;china-wages-jump-in-2012-de...</a><p>WSJ: <a href="http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052748703849204576302972415758878" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;online.wsj.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;articles&#x2F;SB1000142405274870384920...</a><p>Journal of Economic Perspectives: <a href="http://leedsonfinance.com/2013/02/24/the-end-of-cheap-chinese-labor/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;leedsonfinance.com&#x2F;2013&#x2F;02&#x2F;24&#x2F;the-end-of-cheap-chines...</a><p>No one source is believable but there appears to be wide consensus here. Also note these are real, inflation-corrected wages. You can tell especially by the WSJ&#x27;s concern over prices, if inflation explained the changes it wouldn&#x27;t impact export costs which are priced in USD not Yuan.
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enoch_r将近 11 年前
It&#x27;s remarkable how many people in the NYT comments dismiss this as a distraction from the more important issue of within-country inequality. I guess it&#x27;s more important to help out someone earning $15,000 a year who looks like us, than someone who earns $400 a year who doesn&#x27;t. Global poverty is truly horrific, on a level that most people in the first world can&#x27;t even comprehend, and its continued reduction is one of the really great (incomplete) triumphs of human history.<p>I suppose I&#x27;m being uncharitable here. I&#x27;d guess the more likely explanation is mood affiliation--people want a political revolution in response to real problems (inequality, global warming, poverty, war, surveillance) and are resistant to <i>any</i> news that does not fit into this narrative of decline.
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jokoon将近 11 年前
Seen that thing already on &#x2F;r&#x2F;economics a while ago, went in a long discussion with a libertarian sounding guy. Was really disappointed.<p>I don&#x27;t like this, because the current argument of inequality talks about developed countries, inside borders. The &quot;global inequality&quot; somewhat argues that inequality per country is irrelevant because what counts is global inequality, which to me is a little fallacious: you don&#x27;t replace a debate with the same debate at a bigger scope.<p>If markets are being globalized, nations lose bargaining power, and it&#x27;s not really a good thing.<p>It&#x27;s also a little inadequate&#x2F;irrelevant to talk about income inequality in developing countries I think. Those countries are developing, so it&#x27;s not surprising to see their economies improve. If it&#x27;s done at the expense of other more developed countries, it&#x27;s natural for those latter countries to complain.
api将近 11 年前
The situation globally and the situation in first world countries, particularly the USA, is quite different. Income inequality is falling in places like Brazil, India, and China but is rising in the developed world.
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tokenadult将近 11 年前
I just posted this to my Facebook wall with the tagline I use for a headline conclusion that states a fact that everyone should know: &quot;But of course.&quot; Globalization (increasing international trade on increasingly free terms of trade across more goods and services) would have to act as a worldwide phenomenon to reduce income inequality. Moreover, a country&#x27;s greater rather than lesser involvement in international trade generally reduces income inequality within the country. Many of the countries in Europe that have especially low Gini coefficients (in other words, have especially equal distributions of income) are long-time members of the European Free Trade Association, and many of the countries in Central and South America that have high Gini coefficients (that is the region on the world to look in for the worst income inequality, among regions of the world) have long had protectionist trade policies and remarkably little involvement in the world economy.[1] Free trade improves income equality.[2] If reducing income inequality is your policy goal, improving provision of primary and secondary education is a good idea,[3] and other policy responses may be useful in one country or another,[4] but the world trend should continue to be toward more and more trade, the better to reduce income inequality and raise real wealth for everyone.<p>[1] <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_income_equality" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;List_of_countries_by_income_eq...</a><p>[2] <a href="http://www.efta.int/statistics/news/efta-countries-show-decrease-income-inequality-2931" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.efta.int&#x2F;statistics&#x2F;news&#x2F;efta-countries-show-decr...</a><p><a href="http://www.imf.org/external/np/seminars/eng/2014/lic/pdf/Lim.pdf" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.imf.org&#x2F;external&#x2F;np&#x2F;seminars&#x2F;eng&#x2F;2014&#x2F;lic&#x2F;pdf&#x2F;Lim...</a><p>[3] <a href="http://www.oecd.org/eco/labour/49421421.pdf" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.oecd.org&#x2F;eco&#x2F;labour&#x2F;49421421.pdf</a><p>[4] <a href="http://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/laura-tyson-describes-what-the-us-should-do-to-enhance-economic-growth-and-distributional-equity" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.project-syndicate.org&#x2F;commentary&#x2F;laura-tyson-desc...</a><p>AFTER EDIT: I would be glad to hear from multiple participants here from all over the world how your income (as a hacker?) compares to the median income in the country you live, and I have opened an Ask HN thread specifically to focus discussion on that topic, which may help me learn a lot about other people&#x27;s perspectives here.<p><a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8058579" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=8058579</a>
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julie1将近 11 年前
Ho! He is right.<p>Just the problem of redistribution is like a problem of multiple bath tubs pouring water in a bigger common bathtub (the wealth) and how it is recycled (the water flowing back to the top in no respect of any scientific analogy).<p>you could globally be happy that for all the bathtubs of the world to observe a ratio of wealth repartition that is less extreme.<p>but where does this wealth&#x2F;water comes from?<p>the rich who are already experiencing a favorable bias toward tax paying or the active workers who are paying relatively more taxs comparing to their income?<p>Tax does not transform into wealth maybe?<p>No, but education does: a worker with an easier access to the education worths more for the economy. Health insurance makes a worker available in good conditions for more productive years. (No wonders that health insurance are almost forced for highly paid workers; the company should ensure its working forces are productive).<p>So if the richer don&#x27;t pay as much taxes, taxes being more profitable for the richer it is de facto (just by the sheer disappearance of the resources indirectly provided by the states) a logical decrease of the «second order» resources.<p>Yes in the world globally situation increases positively in terms of repartition, but locally because mostly we have the same incentive all around the world, the situation decreases.<p>The inequality are globally more balanced, but locally tending towards more non linear repartition. With a nice sigmoid.<p>this will go on as long as there is no fiscal equity amongst all citizens, whatever the country, whatever the religion, or social&#x2F;political&#x2F;economical belief.<p>It all boils down to how retro action works. And the shape of the curves of taxes. Every single steps, every non linear progression you make, you introduce distinct clusters of citizens which interests will diverge with the rest.<p>Put a sigmoid in the way people pay taxes&#x2F;get credit refound, and your society will have a sigmoid in its structure, thus creating the probability of some divergence of opinions on what is equity or egality.<p>Are the 2 extremum wishable? All persons living at the average, or a cast system with n distincts layers, or can their exists «harmonious» level of wealth in a society that could results in less frictions?<p>Mathematically I am pretty sure we could agree that when a curve have 2 extremum that are not optimums (casts system or uniform normative systems) we should find the rules for an optimum in the middle.<p>Now in real life, maybe it is time to see the inequality not as a philosophical problem, but rather as process that can be engineered for the greater good of every one: slackers, billionnaires, hobos, politicians all alike.<p>The first step at my opinion would be to forbid any rules in the form IF DISCRETE cond A then apply X else apply Y in laws and tax formulation.
eth1将近 11 年前
yea okaaaay... i was born at night, but not last night.
PythonicAlpha将近 11 年前
I don&#x27;t see any evidence in the article, just links to some dubious papers, partially paid by the world bank.<p>It might be, that some money goes to third world countries (specially China and India) but I just doubt, that many people are really rising out of poverty. The &quot;wandring labourers&quot; of China are not. They work just to survive. Also those that are sewing our jeans in Malaysia and other countries ... at the verge of living wage. When the big corporations move along, to even cheaper countries, nothing is left to them.<p>I know by own experience, that with statistics, you can prove just anything, even lies.<p>I think, reading also the comments posted to the article is helpful. Some insights are also there.
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