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The CIA's Reckless Breach of Trust

184 点作者 lvevjo将近 11 年前

15 条评论

TeMPOraL将近 11 年前
You know what&#x27;s CIA&#x27;s <i>even more</i> reckless breach of trust? Organizing fake vaccination campaigns[0]. Now the efforts with eradicating Polio in some parts of the world meet with resistance of people who don&#x27;t trust the vaccination campaign isn&#x27;t a cover for US clandestine operations[1]. Hard to blame them, to be honest.<p><i>&quot;The edict by the Islamic militants to ban immunization was in response to the CIA&#x27;s setting up a fake hepatitis vaccination campaign in Pakistan.&quot;</i><p>And now thanks to CIA stunts many dozen (if not hundreds) Polio workers <i>got killed</i> and we risk not being able to eradicate the disease.<p>[0] - <a href="http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/jul/11/cia-fake-vaccinations-osama-bin-ladens-dna" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;world&#x2F;2011&#x2F;jul&#x2F;11&#x2F;cia-fake-vaccin...</a><p>[1] - <a href="http://www.npr.org/blogs/goatsandsoda/2014/07/28/330767266/taliban-in-pakistan-derails-world-polio-eradication" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.npr.org&#x2F;blogs&#x2F;goatsandsoda&#x2F;2014&#x2F;07&#x2F;28&#x2F;330767266&#x2F;t...</a>
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higherpurpose将近 11 年前
How come nobody in the media is calling this <i>treason</i>? We&#x27;re talking about a government agency <i>hacking</i> and <i>spying</i> on the US Senate. This is like a Will Smith movie plot about the government &quot;bad guys&quot;.<p>&quot;Improper access&quot;? Are you kidding me? I guess Manning was a fool for not &quot;apologizing&quot; for his &quot;improper access&quot;. That would&#x27;ve definitely saved him.<p>What&#x27;s worse is that even after Feinstein accused them of hacking and spying, <i>they still did it</i> afterwards [1]. And if they get away with it now, they will most definitely continue to do it.<p>[1] - <a href="https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140731/18065928080/cia-spying-senate-went-much-further-than-originally-reported.shtml" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.techdirt.com&#x2F;articles&#x2F;20140731&#x2F;18065928080&#x2F;cia-s...</a>
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secstate将近 11 年前
Well, I wrote my congressmen. What else can we possibly do? This is, however, a fucking travesty of justice. How can you possibly be caught committing a crime and have the higher-ups formally apologize, and say they wont do it again?<p>This is high treason against the United States Senate. What the hell is wrong with this country? I feel like the US is one big democratic tease, pretending to be a bastion of free thought and high ideals. When in reality it&#x27;s no different than any other relatively peaceful, horribly corrupt government that has ever existed.<p>Reading a history of the Roman Republic and eventual Empire recently, I have a suspicion we&#x27;re headed down pretty much the same path, simply with better access to current information. That could change everything. But it probably wont change anything.
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forgotAgain将近 11 年前
So we know from recent history that the US Justice Department thinks accessing a computer network without authorization is worth 35 years in prison.<p>I was going to pose the question what the over &#x2F; under line would be on charges for those members of the CIA who did this but then I realized that it would be a silly question. When it comes to the US Government the corollary of too big to fail is too powerful to jail.
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kyllo将近 11 年前
No surprises here, of course this is what happens when you create an agency whose mission is to lie, decieve, and break the law, and then give it limited oversight and almost unlimited funding. The CIA&#x27;s entire history is just one scandal after another.
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DanielBMarkham将近 11 年前
The nation needs an intelligence community. In the modern world, that&#x27;s non-negotiable.<p>But having said that, there are a few breaches of trust that warrant extreme action, and this is one of them. This isn&#x27;t some low-level analyst using his pull to get out of a parking ticket. This is the executive branch of government running an intelligence operation <i>against another branch of the government</i>.<p>There&#x27;s no known universe in which this is anywhere near being acceptable. And even if you buy the lone wolf scenario thrown out here, it still means that the agency had an atmosphere in which it seemed okay to do this -- and it was done with little or no oversight. In fact, this is a much <i>worse</i> scenario, because it implies that lone wolves all over the agency are doing all sorts of things on their own initiative. God knows what.<p>Congress, kicking and screaming, is going to have to grow a set of balls and publicly tear apart the intelligence apparatus again. We are probably going to need new constitutional amendments to address property rights and the idea of &quot;personal papers&quot; in the digital age. Computers are extensions of people&#x27;s minds. They are not like music players or VCRs. Not at all.<p>This whole mess has been an example of how the political class will put off making a decision that might involve risk as long as possible. I keep wondering what more has to come out, and how much is enough.<p>Sadly, I think we&#x27;re not there yet.
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jobu将近 11 年前
<i>&quot;The committee has been working since 2009 on a comprehensive history of the agency’s antiterror program during the George W. Bush administration&quot;</i><p>That makes it sound like the investigation is politically motivated, which I find disappointing. It seems highly likely that some of those practices continued under Obama, and if there&#x27;s any hint of political leaning in an investigation like this then most people will just ignore it as more partisan bullshit.
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pasbesoin将近 11 年前
In this as other spheres of recent, catastrophic failure (i.e. the financial crisis): I&#x27;m down to saying to TPTB:<p>&quot;No jail? You fail.&quot;<p>If Brennan can&#x27;t be prosecuted for perjury, then a very public and (really) career-ending firing is in order.<p>As for the Congress that has been soaking up these lies and dissemblance, well, if you&#x27;re a U.S. citizen, don&#x27;t forget to vote. Also in local elections, where candidates grow into future Congress-critters -- or used to, before they started simply buying their way in.
state将近 11 年前
I recently read &quot;Legacy of Ashes&quot;[1]. If you&#x27;re interested in the extremely long list of breaches of trust that the CIA is responsible for it&#x27;s a great resource.<p>[1] - <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legacy_of_Ashes" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Legacy_of_Ashes</a>
ajmurmann将近 11 年前
I am of the opinion that nothing is worse for a society than corrupt law enforcement of any kind. I am generally against death penalty, but think it should be applied for even minor breaches by law enforcement. If we cannot trust the people who are supposed to keep us save the entire system is broken.
shrnky将近 11 年前
&quot;Bush derangement syndrome?&quot; At some point during the Bush years the New York Times seems to have been hit with said syndrome and devolved into nothing more than another partisan rag.<p>Bush is mentioned three times in the article. Guess how many times Obama is mentioned? Not once. The most powerful and influential person in this issue, Not Mentioned Once.<p>So what if Bush implemented these policies. So what if by some miracle they were able to prosecute and convict him. We&#x27;d still have the status quo.<p>Articles like the one above are the very reason I hold &quot;The Paper of Record&quot; in almost as low esteem as outlets such as Fox News.
farseer将近 11 年前
So now you know how it feels like to live in a banana republic?
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jseip将近 11 年前
Pardon Snowden Now.
steveax将近 11 年前
And why isn&#x27;t anyone calling for Brennan&#x27;s head on a stick for lying about this? Really, I&#x27;m mystified.
dickinurass将近 11 年前
It&#x27;s hilarious, if anyone else was caught infiltrating senate computers .. but the CIA f&#x27;n seriously they were trying to interfere with a torture investigation .. ridiculous where are the repercussions what country am I living in?
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