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The Social Laboratory: Singapore's Surveillance State

83 点作者 fortepianissimo将近 11 年前

13 条评论

nubela将近 11 年前
I&#x27;m a native-born Singaporean, served the National Service, and what-nots. I&#x27;m also the developer of GOM Chrome extension (<a href="http://getgom.com/sg" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;getgom.com&#x2F;sg</a>), a Web-VPN Chrome extension that bypasses MDA (Media authority of Singapore) filters with SPDY-SSL proxies.<p>I was going to write a long essay to lament how disgusting this article reads from the POV from a Singaporean , but well, I don&#x27;t believe that the bulk of Singaporeans (who are largely in a blind pursuit of wealth via the rat&#x27;s race) care enough, nor the government will get any better.
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sytelus将近 11 年前
Until I read this article, I thought Singapore was a heaven - thanks to likes of Derek Sivers who had been beating drums on this without ever mentioning the its other side: <a href="http://sivers.org/singapore" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;sivers.org&#x2F;singapore</a>. From now on I would read his stuff with huge grain of salt - or perhaps just stop reading him and wasting my time on these top tier bloggers who are out there to make money out of their readership.
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mingmecca将近 11 年前
This is some truly frightening stuff. There are large groups of people who relish the idea of a surveillance state in order to eliminate uncertainty in all things. And if privacy has to be sacrificed then so be it.<p>I&#x27;ve said it before and I&#x27;ll say it again: I&#x27;d rather be dead than live in a fishbowl.
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femto将近 11 年前
Singapore is an oceanic pinch point on its line of longitude. Just as lots of shipping containers go though its port, a lot of undersea optical fibres go though its switching centres. The article doesn&#x27;t mention it, but logic would dictate that the surveillance would include the submarine fibres?
kryptiskt将近 11 年前
William Gibson wrote a piece on Singapore for Wired in 1993, &quot;Disneyland with the Death Penalty&quot;: <a href="http://archive.wired.com/wired/archive/1.04/gibson.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.wired.com&#x2F;wired&#x2F;archive&#x2F;1.04&#x2F;gibson.html</a>
frenchieinsg将近 11 年前
I think the article gets (as most Western media does) one thing very wrong: the nature of the relationship between the citizen and their government. What singles out PAP is that throughout its existence, it has offered the citizen exactly what they want and has had overwhelming popular support as a result. It certainly is not the dictatorship that is so often painted abroad (because, how else could you explain the same party getting re-elected over and over again? Surely LKY = Pinochet?). It is definitely not popular because it bribes its citizen with free stuff taken from other citizen (&quot;a paternalistic government ensures people&#x27;s basic needs -- housing, education, security -- in return for almost reverential deference&quot;) - if anything, most of the complaints I hear from Singaporeans complain about the LACK of free stuff.<p>The distinguishing feature of the Singaporean government is that it is immensely trusted by its citizen and foreign residents alike. This was an open selling point of PAP from its inception, symbolically represented in their white uniforms signifying that this administration would not be corrupted, and is a theme that LKY for example has brought up over and over again in his writings and speeches (and was a major reason for me to move here from Europe, where government officials are often considered, including by the citizenry, as above the law - cf Francois Mitterrand&#x27;s taxpayer-funded secret family). I think of LKY&#x27;s efforts to keep PAP clean and respectful of individual rights are much more important and significant than his more publicized efforts to make Singapore an attractive business destination (which after all has also been done elsewhere, from Dubai to the Chinese Special Economic Zones). It is telling that he was also conscious of things like externalities; Friedman-inspired Chile had polluted rivers and crowded roads whilst Singapore introduced market mechanisms to limit the impact of these things on citizen (&quot;wa lao, COE so expensive lor&quot;). The rule of law extends to all residents and applies uniformly; I am always somewhat surprised to see Americans criticize what they perceive as &quot;unfair&quot; working conditions for Filipino maids or Bengali construction workers, who are here on a well structured agreement and protected by Singaporean courts during their legal stay, whilst their economy is propped up by illegal immigrants always looking over his shoulder for the heavy handed &quot;la migra&quot;.<p>This is in stark contrast with many other countries that value individual rights, they will usually assume that government agents need to be restrained from having the means of committing rights infringement and that a small state is the only way to achieve durable rights protection (e.g. Switzerland, which has what is probably the weakest Federal government in the world, or the US prior to FDR or even, philosophically, Hamilton). PAP is powerful because the citizen like what it has to offer and its track record has (so far) matched its sales pitch; as such it has more leeway than most governments (where the electorate prefers to operate with the assumption of &quot;before you let this administration do this, imagine what the administration in 4 elections will do with it&quot;).<p>From a foreigner perspective, it&#x27;s more helpful to view Singapore as a sort of shopping mall (it is usually compared to a corporation) rather than a nation state. It offers a certain package including the protection of your rights, but has more restrictive laws than is typical for rights-protecting nation states, just like a mall might forbid smoking in its corridors even if the country in which it operates allows it - and these laws were not arbitrarily decided, but made by the elected representatives of the citizenry. The most extraordinary thing to me is that you, the resident or citizen, are treated like a customer, even if the service provider can be a little old fashioned, and businesses don&#x27;t usually abuse their customers because their customers then leave. When is the last time a government agent smiled to you?<p>You can enter Singapore and do business in it if you are willing to abide by its rules, and in return you get exactly what you might want as, say, an entrepreneur or talent for hire: a comfortable, very safe environment, low (in my view, &quot;normal&quot;) taxes that are spent fairly efficiently, very low amounts of red tape (particularly when it comes to visa policy, although 2014 has been rocky on that front) and durable protection of your property rights regardless of who you are. The fact is, just as currency manipulation is impossible in a country that has to import everything, if the state of affairs were to change, a lot of us would just pack our suitcases, transfer our companies&#x27; assets somewhere else, and fly off to better climes. As far as I know, there are no better climes particularly for the (non-American) &quot;everyman&quot; who does not have a huge fortune to buy his way into another nice place. As for the article, its misrepresentation of the nature of the Singaporean government does make me question the accuracy of the rest.
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norswap将近 11 年前
This is an interesting contrarian view on surveillance, of how singaporeans exploit it to produce a more harmonious society. It seems they are using it well, at least insofar you can trust the reporting, but the very existence of this infrastructure means it could be misused. In the same that an army that is meant to protect against foreign threats could be used to mount a coup, the surveillance meant to protect citizens could be used to enslave them instead. I guess full transparency would be the solution: be very clear about what is monitored, and why.<p>The article is also insightful in that it goes over surface and vague considerations such as the law and privacy but dives into &quot;the social contract&quot; and culture as a whole. Interestingly, it seems that Singaporeans officials are very aware of these realities and are willing to adapt to the will or &quot;mood&quot; of the population. The articles makes them sound as much more capable than their occidental counterparts. One could probably argue that this is a result of the unique political stability of Singapore which leads to career public servants rather than politician whose sole concern is to get reelected and hold onto a shred of power for as long as they can.<p>Still, to be taken with a big grain of salt.
rodgerd将近 11 年前
Singapore&#x27;s level of command and control seems incredibly obnoxious to me - but living in a Five Eyes country I&#x27;m part of a mesh with perhaps as much surveillance on it; the difference is that here in New Zealand it&#x27;s used to bother half a dozen Communists, arrest a fat German, and suck up to the US government. If I&#x27;m going to live in a surveillance state anyway I might as well at least get some of the benefits.
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Fjejfjsicjshr将近 11 年前
Orwell predicted it, and now it&#x27;s startling to happen. As we speak, the human individual is being deprecated by a new kind of organism. Cells are to us as we are to &quot;it:&quot; expendable little things to be controlled and regulated.<p>The age of the individual seems to be coming to a close.
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ghshephard将近 11 年前
Regarding the passport - I had to hand over my passport in Australia and Portugal to purchsse a SIM card, and I wasn&#x27;t even allowed to buy one in Brazil, had to get a local to go buy one for me (and show their identification).
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ghshephard将近 11 年前
Something to be aware of - Singapore is <i>hyper</i> aware of the terrorism threat. There is a non-stop video playing in every MRT (rapid transit) station showing a non-descript person blowing up the MRT - including the explosion and sound effects, and asking people to constantly be aware of their surroundings. They have (admittedly somewhat lax) security staff watching for bags at every entrance. They have removed all garbage cans from inside the MRT area.<p>The country is very, very safe because of the low crime, so, as a result, Terrorism is one of the most significant risks to be watchful for.
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digitalengineer将近 11 年前
&gt; the more Singapore has grown, the more Singaporeans fear loss. The colloquial word kiasu, which stems from a vernacular Chinese word that means &quot;fear of losing,&quot; is a shorthand by which natives concisely convey the sense of vulnerability that seems coded into their social DNA<p>Fear as a means to bind a society. This is also used in the US correct? Fear of communism, socialism, terrorist...
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ghshephard将近 11 年前
Regarding the anti-hate speech laws, France, Canada, and other countries also have some pretty strict laws against the kind of hate speech you can utter.<p>It&#x27;s interesting that Americans just assume that you should be legally allowed to spout whatever kind of vile suits your fancy, without any legal implications.<p>I don&#x27;t think there is any &quot;absolute&quot; right or wrong way of regulating speech (even Americans have laws against defamation, libel, and shouting&quot;fire&quot; in a crowded theater) - but, it&#x27;s important to recognize that just because other people approach it differently - it doesn&#x27;t mean that they are doing it the &quot;wrong&quot; way.<p>It&#x27;s useful to look at how American Laws (and attitudes) have changed over the last century or so around homosexuality, same sex marriage, interracial marriage, prohibition, heck, even the right for women to vote - to see how that even in a <i>single country</i>, the &quot;Right&quot; and the &quot;Wrong&quot; can evolve&#x2F;change in a very short period of time.
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