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Ask HN: How do you transfer money internationally?

63 点作者 BigCanOfTuna将近 11 年前
I&#x27;m an independent developer living living Canada with some clients in the US. I am paid monthly by cheque in $US and I am looking for the most cost effective way of converting that money to $CAD.<p>I&#x27;m interested in hearing about banks, brokers or even using something like bit coin as a means of currency exchange.

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throwaway_32948将近 11 年前
If you are converting large amounts and you are comfortable with purchasing and selling stocks online then a viable option is to use Norbert&#x27;s gambit. This involves buying stock in companies traded on both Canadian and US exchanges, such as TD. You buy on one exchange (in your case on a US exchange), journal over to the other exchange, and then sell on other exchange. With the right online broker, journaling is automatic, and the entire process takes a few minutes to complete.<p>The final costs for the exchange are the trading fees (typically $10 per transaction for an online broker), the bid-ask spread, and any fluctuation in price between the buy and sell price (this can be in either direction---gains are taxable). Fluctuations over periods of a few minutes should be small for a highly liquid and stable stock. Always use limit orders to protect against any unusual events such as a flash crash.<p>There are lots of links found through a web search that describe the process and which Canadian online brokers make this easy to do. Also see <a href="http://www.northernraven.ca/financial/NGcalculator.php" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.northernraven.ca&#x2F;financial&#x2F;NGcalculator.php</a> for a calculator that helps you select which stock to use. You want to select a stock with high liquidity (typically translates in a low bid-ask spread) and also a high unit price (to minimize the relative bid-ask spread cost).<p>The calculator at the link above shows that using today&#x27;s prices to convert $10k can save about $80 versus a 1% currency conversion cost by using one of a number of stocks.
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namenotrequired将近 11 年前
I&#x27;m honestly happy with Transferwise.com. You can get a free transfer with an invitation link, here&#x27;s mine: <a href="https://transferwise.com/u/5d78" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;transferwise.com&#x2F;u&#x2F;5d78</a>
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cik将近 11 年前
I have the same exact problem - living in Canada, with the same conditions. The reality is that it depends on the client, but here&#x27;s what I do.<p>1. RBC has a USD account for $9&#x2F;month. It&#x27;s the cheapest in the country. For clients who insist on paying by ACH or cheque, that allows me to take USD inbound and hold them as needed.<p>2. I use a money changer (persepolis work, as do several on King Street) simply because the DIFFERENCE on the exchange can be as high as 1.5%, which is a little nuts. It&#x27;s not automated (sadly), but companies like Freedman will pick up cheques from you - if you&#x27;re not already downtown.<p>3. BTC + Coinbase. Some people are more than happy enough to pay in BTC. That in turn makes it easy to get other currencies without the pain.<p>#3 is by far the most cost effective - especially if you deal with the occasional non-US currency, as I do. The reality is that items #1+#2 combined helped me shave hundreds of dollars in exchange fees.
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footpath将近 11 年前
How are you currently depositing the US cheques? Both TD[1] and RBC[2] offer cross-border banking accounts, meaning that you can open a TD&#x2F;RBC account in Canada and a TD&#x2F;RBC account in the US and link them together, which should allow you to transfer funds between them at an optimum rate. You should be able to deposit US cheques with their smartphone apps. The issue with this approach is that you will have to maintain two bank accounts that you may have to pay monthly fees separately or maintain a minimum balance.<p>There should also be some banks in Canada (including TD and RBC) that offer US Dollar accounts, such as this one from Scotia[3] that seems to offer direct deposit, so maybe look those up as well.<p>Otherwise, foreign exchange sites like XE or Xoom may be an option as others have mentioned here, but I&#x27;m not too familiar with them.<p>[1]<a href="http://www.tdbank.com/personal/cross-border-banking.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.tdbank.com&#x2F;personal&#x2F;cross-border-banking.html</a> [2]<a href="http://www.rbcroyalbank.com/cross-border-banking/index.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.rbcroyalbank.com&#x2F;cross-border-banking&#x2F;index.html</a> [3]<a href="http://www.scotiabank.com/ca/en/0,,59,00.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.scotiabank.com&#x2F;ca&#x2F;en&#x2F;0,,59,00.html</a>
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rb2k_将近 11 年前
I use three ways for Germany &lt;--&gt; US transfer:<p>1. Charles Schwab<p>I didn&#x27;t know that before signing up, but my US Charles Schwab account has Banks all over the world that I can just wire money to, use my US account number as the &quot;subject&quot; of the transaction and it will magically appear in my US account. No fees, good exchange rate. That way I can get the Money from Germany to the US<p>2. Currencyfair(.com)<p>They have great exchange rates. You basically send money from Country A to one of their bank accounts in the country A area (e.g. SEPA) and then buy the foreign currency on their site (quick or marketplace) and transfer it out. Very minimal fees, great rates.<p>3. Debit Cards<p>My German credit card and my US debit cards (among them: Schwab) allow me to deduct money from ATMs for free. Both of them don&#x27;t charge any fees (no cash advance for the German ones) and allow me to do so internationally.<p>I&#x27;d say just get a US Bank account from Charles Schwab the next time you&#x27;re over there. I got mine 4 years ago without having a SSN or a work visa, just using my passport. I guess this is just possible if you do it &quot;in branch&quot; though.
mmesh将近 11 年前
I&#x27;ve used TransferWise (<a href="https://transferwise.com" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;transferwise.com</a>) several times to move money from SEK to USD, but it seems they don&#x27;t support CAD yet.<p>Super easy to get started, and very low fees.
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abhididdigi将近 11 年前
I am surprised nobody here use XOOM (<a href="https://www.xoom.com" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.xoom.com</a>)
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vilius将近 11 年前
OT, but may be useful if someone is looking for cheap ways to transfer money within the EU. <a href="https://transfergo.com" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;transfergo.com</a> - offers transfers to bank accounts for a fixed fee of 2,5 GBP.<p>It works by issuing local payments, which are much cheaper. You make a local payment to TransferGo account in your country. In turn they use their foreign bank account to make local payment to your recipient.
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yrral将近 11 年前
I&#x27;ve heard co-workers using interactivebrokers to do so. I found a blog post about it here <a href="http://blog.plsoucy.com/2012/11/best-way-to-convert-usd-to-cad-save-on-fees/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;blog.plsoucy.com&#x2F;2012&#x2F;11&#x2F;best-way-to-convert-usd-to-c...</a><p>The fees are essentially max($2.50, 0.01%) but there&#x27;s some restrictions (min $10k deposit, $10 monthly fee)
tsyd将近 11 年前
I&#x27;ve been happy with XE Trade (<a href="http://www.xe.com/xetrade/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.xe.com&#x2F;xetrade&#x2F;</a>) for USD&#x2F;CAD transactions.
hellodevnull将近 11 年前
Back when it was beginning to get difficult to buy Bitcoin in the UK (when MtGox and Intersango stopped accepting bank transfers) I used TransferWise, a p2p currency exchange, to send money to European bank accounts as an alternative. For example, BitStamp was based in Slovenia, so I&#x27;d send money directly to their European account. Without a service like TransferWise I would have to spend £25 with every Bitcoin purchase (that&#x27;s how much my bank charges for an EU transfer), versus £1 with TW.<p>Unfortunately now you can&#x27;t even deposit into European bank accounts that are related to Bitcoin... but anyway it&#x27;s a really cheap way of sending money, not all currencies are available yet though (no CAD) but keep an eye out.<p><a href="https://transferwise.com/" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;transferwise.com&#x2F;</a>
Someone1234将近 11 年前
I use a company called &quot;XE Trade.&quot; It is an absolute nightmare to set up (due to all their anti-fraud stuff). However once you do it is pretty straight forward to utilise and they&#x27;re paid via a &quot;spread&quot; (i.e. imperfect exchange rates) rather than a fee.<p>It appears cheaper than both PayPal and my bank, however it is up to you if the savings is worth the hassle of setting it up. Once it is set up you transfer money to their local bank account (within your origin country), and then at the destination country they deliver it via bank transfer from an account there, so you need a normal bank account in both source and destination (i.e. no Western Union style use).<p>I believe HSBC also offer free intercountry account transfers as long as you own both accounts.
erikb将近 11 年前
The best strategy I (German) use with Chinese friends is giving money to one person in Germany and letting a family member of them transfer the corresponding amount inside China. This way you can save on most of the fees and your ability to transfer money basically gets down to how much Guanxi (relationship value) you have.
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myhf将近 11 年前
I used to use CurrencyFair, and loved the easy, fast, transparent process (with a view of how much money is available to buy&#x2F;sell at each price point). But they closed to US residents.<p>Now I have to use XE Trade, and never really know how long a transfer will take or what exchange rate it will settle on.
eduardo_f将近 11 年前
I&#x27;m very happy with Kantox for B2B transfers. It has a matching option that side-steps banks and brokers:<p><a href="http://kantox.com/en/how-it-works-kantox" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;kantox.com&#x2F;en&#x2F;how-it-works-kantox</a>
shenoybr将近 11 年前
1) You could opt for a plain old wire transfer between accounts, I think the banks charge $15 for that, but its almost immediate. 2) Or you could deposit the check in your Canadian bank account. Although, in this case you&#x27;ll have to wait for the banks to clear your check. 3) Or if you have a bank account in the US, you could use an online service like Xoom. <a href="https://www.xoom.com/canada/send-money" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.xoom.com&#x2F;canada&#x2F;send-money</a>
tim333将近 11 年前
I use Interactive Brokers. I have an account with HSBC Canada and a UK account. It was the cheapest way I could find to transfer ~ $500k but might be overkill for smaller amounts.
melvinmt将近 11 年前
I use Xoom.com every month to transfer money back &quot;home&quot; (US -&gt; NL) and it&#x27;s way cheaper than an international wire transfer ($5 vs $40) and more convenient too.
MargotT将近 11 年前
Transferwise would be great for you. I&#x27;ve used it for a couple of years now transfering money from pounds to euros. It&#x27;s super quick, cheap and easy to use. This service uses the exchange rate which is quoted on reuters and asks a tiny 0.5% fee.<p>With the below link you will get your first transfer for FREE:<p><a href="http://transferwise.evyy.net/c/88623/126664/985" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;transferwise.evyy.net&#x2F;c&#x2F;88623&#x2F;126664&#x2F;985</a>
pearkes将近 11 年前
BMO has American dollar accounts[1]. That way, you can convert only what you need. Or, when you feel is the best time due to rate fluctuations and so on.<p>Additionally, if you ever travel and spend money in the US, you can spend in US currency, again avoiding exchange rates.<p>[1]: <a href="http://www.bmo.com/home/personal/banking/bank-accounts/us-dollar" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bmo.com&#x2F;home&#x2F;personal&#x2F;banking&#x2F;bank-accounts&#x2F;us-do...</a>
jdtb将近 11 年前
We&#x27;re in this exact situation. Canadian Company with mostly US clients. We have a USD and CDN account through TD which allows us to deposit checks and receive wires in US funds if needed. From there we use TDFX to transfer funds between the two accounts as needed. TDFX gives pretty good rates on the exchange and there is no transfer fee. For example the spot rate I just got was 1.0916 USD --&gt; CDN
Sambdala将近 11 年前
If you can have both US and Canadian accounts, I&#x27;d deposit the USD in your US account and use TransferWise to get CAD which should save you on fees.
Spoom将近 11 年前
I use CustomHouse ( <a href="http://onlinefx.westernunion.com/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;onlinefx.westernunion.com&#x2F;</a> ) to transfer money to my Canadian account when necessary. That said, I live in the US so I don&#x27;t have to transfer a huge percentage of my income, just enough to pay my Canadian student loans and credit card.<p>I would look at the RBC USD accounts if I were you.
ericol将近 11 年前
Bitcoins. I live in Argentina (yep, right) and work for an UK based company. I recently set on buying bitcoins in Europe (using localbitcoins.com) and them selling them to Argentinian buyers on the same site.<p>There&#x27;s a huge gap between the regulated dollar rate and the street price, so the loss is negligible (I used to just extract the money from an ATM)
JoshTriplett将近 11 年前
The simplest solution would be to find a Canadian bank that will accept check deposits denominated in USD. Second easiest would be to have banks in both countries, deposit into the US bank, transfer, and withdraw from the Canadian bank. In both cases, ideally you could set up direct deposit.
vehementi将近 11 年前
I&#x27;ll be in this situation soon and was hoping to be able to use Norbert&#x27;s Gambit: <a href="http://canadiancouchpotato.com/2013/12/03/norberts-gambit-the-complete-guide/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;canadiancouchpotato.com&#x2F;2013&#x2F;12&#x2F;03&#x2F;norberts-gambit-th...</a>
brentm将近 11 年前
I use FX Payments from American Express (<a href="https://fxpayments.americanexpress.com" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;fxpayments.americanexpress.com</a>). It&#x27;s &quot;only&quot; $35 per wire. It&#x27;s a bit of a process to set up but works well once up and running.
mlakewood将近 11 年前
I&#x27;ve found citibank, apart from thier not great website, have a pretty good deal. I have a US account and an Oz account and transferring between then is instantaneous. The obviously take a cut on the exchange rate, but its been pretty good IMHO.
Lunatic666将近 11 年前
I&#x27;m looking for an affordable way to transfer money from Singapore to Germany, but so far the cheapest is sending the money to a VISA or Mastercard. It&#x27;s fixed S$10 per transfer and it&#x27;s instant transfer, very handy.
refurb将近 11 年前
You live in Canada and get paid in USD? Just deposit the check in your bank. It take a while to clear (up to 30 days), but the big Canadian banks give pretty good exchange rates since they exchange a lot of USD -&gt; CAD.
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eswat将近 11 年前
For Canadians that have looked across all the banks, why did you choose the one you’re now with?<p>I have both a CAD &amp; USD account with Tangerine but the lack of wire transfer is hurting now, so looking to switch over to another bank.
aharonovich将近 11 年前
I do my best to stick to Paypal, since it has the majority of my international financial history it saves me the trouble of reconciling several accounts. If (when) they support Bitcoin&#x2F;Ether it will be perfect.
goodJobWalrus将近 11 年前
I have found the best one for GBP to CAD to be:<p>torfx.com<p>When I had actual physical cash that I needed to hand in, I found the best rates withL<p><a href="http://www.interchangefinancial.com/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.interchangefinancial.com&#x2F;</a>
kourt将近 11 年前
I have used ozforex.com.au for business; they have a consumer-oriented branch <a href="http://www.tranzfers.com/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.tranzfers.com&#x2F;</a>
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maaku将近 11 年前
Bitcoin.<p>When that is not an option, I use a bank that has zero foreign transaction fees, and refunded ATM fees. First Republic Bank&#x27;s ATM refund account, in my case.
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marcosdumay将近 11 年前
Have you tried asking your bank manager?<p>Yes, there&#x27;ll be fees, and it&#x27;s not as interesting as bitcoin. But it&#x27;s not a hard thing to do.
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canterburry将近 11 年前
Western Union: One of america&#x27;s oldest companies and does one thing only: money transfers all over the world!
alagappanr将近 11 年前
I&#x27;ve been using Xoom for money transfer to India. For amounts larger than 1000$, there is no fee.
himanshuy将近 11 年前
I use India specific services which are ICICIDirect and XOOM.
Thiz将近 11 年前
Bitcoin or any cryptocoin.
chroman将近 11 年前
I use Paypal + Payoneer.
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