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Should holiday email be deleted?

56 点作者 klearvue将近 11 年前

21 条评论

malgorithms将近 11 年前
Related: Daimler has a PGP policy. Whoever works on their email likes to get things done.<p>Last year I emailed a car dealer who worked for Mercedes Benz USA, and I got an auto-reply from Daimler that my signature was unacceptable because the expiration date on my key was too far in the future, and they wouldn&#x27;t deliver my message at all, unless I fixed it.<p>I know the salesperson had no idea what was going on with this - but as soon as a contacted him with a signed message and a shorter-term subkey I generated just for them, his outgoing messages started being signed too.<p>Then, a month ago, I got a notice from Daimler that my key was expiring and I needed to get a new one on file with them.<p>I&#x27;ve been signing emails as a policy for awhile, and it&#x27;s the only experience of this sort I&#x27;ve had.
freshyill将近 11 年前
I know there are things at my job that only I can do, even if they are documented. If certain things will need urgent attention while I&#x27;m out, I&#x27;ll arrange to have someone cover for me.<p>I can understand not reading it, and setting the expectation with your employer and coworkers that you&#x27;re on vacation and you won&#x27;t be reading emails. That&#x27;s very reasonable.<p>But just deleting emails? That sounds kind of nuts. I handle my email when I get back. And I send emails to other people with the expectation that they&#x27;ll handle theirs when they get back.<p>If I have a question for a coworker, I&#x27;ll email it to them. I don&#x27;t expect a response if they&#x27;re on vacation. The question is now theirs to deal with, in due time. By auto-deleting it, it reverts to being my problem. I&#x27;m sending that email for the purpose of getting work done. In that sense, auto-deleting it is preventing me from doing my work. And then I just have to send it again once they&#x27;re back.<p>Setting proper boundaries and expectations is the solution. If you&#x27;re getting so much email that it&#x27;s an insurmountable task once you get back from vacation, maybe your company needs to reexamine its email culture and practices.
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freejack将近 11 年前
I think this is misguided and would seem to reinforce bad practices, poor etiquette and bad culture.<p>bad practices, i.e. if you want work life balance, don&#x27;t check your email when you aren&#x27;t in the office. Manage your co-workers expectations that you won&#x27;t be replying when you aren&#x27;t on the clock, don&#x27;t work for a boss that has the expectation that you are functionally on-call at times when you should be with your family and friends.<p>bad etiquette, i.e. stop sending so much email yourself and stop responding to email that doesn&#x27;t merit a response. OOO messages and other auto-responders are vile and just add to the mess - calendar requests, project updates, FYIs, CC&quot;s, etc. Most of this messaging traffic is just unnecessary and only adds to the weight of one&#x27;s inbox without making much of a contribution. Deal with your messaging in your app - turn off the notifications and update options and actually log into your calendar once or twice a day to view requests. Same goes for the rest of your web apps (I&#x27;m thinking of project and task tools like Asana, et al).<p>bad culture, i.e. be part of the solution, tell people when their email practices are dysfunctional. We have this thing at our office where staff will send out an email to 10 people asking &quot;when is a good time to get together?&quot; which triggers an avalanche of 25 messages all with conflicting instructions and requests about what might be the best time. I actively ask people to use my calendar and ignore the rest of the email on the subject. People are slowly starting to use my calendar for this sort of thing. Same goes for after-hours email. If you don&#x27;t want people to think you&#x27;ll respond after-hours, don&#x27;t send email after hours! In the most extreme cases, if you can&#x27;t change culture, then find a better place to work. Life is too short.<p>Corporate policy along the lines of &quot;delete email while you are on vacation&quot; just serve to reinforce all of these other bad practices. Email can be a force for good, you just have to use it that way.
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forca将近 11 年前
I agree with deleting the emails. The US is woefully behind Europe in this regard. I would like to see a French-style work week, with the added goodness of France&#x27;s recent email&#x2F;phone call law forbidding employers from contacting employees after a certain time.<p>I would like, at the very least, to see a federal law forbidding more than 40 hours max. The world has really deteriorated in regard to family life since the 80s. When everything started becoming 24-7, that&#x27;s when the decline began. I remember the sanity of the 80s whilst living in a couple of countries in western Europe at the time. The pace of life was better, more family time, the fun challenge of getting a popular restaurant reservation before they closed at a sane hour. It wasn&#x27;t all about profit then like it is now.<p>I make it clear to my current employer that I don&#x27;t do nights and weekends. When I leave the office at 1700, I&#x27;m unemployed. My wife and children come first.
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valarauca1将近 11 年前
As a contractor at Daimler, and somebody who is technical works for a German company this trend is catching on in a lot of Germany, and frankly I&#x27;m tempted to try it myself.<p>It solves a lot of problems in a single blow, and most problems people have with it can be answered by:<p><i>You shouldn&#x27;t use your work email for that</i><p>or the opposite<p><i>You shouldn&#x27;t use your personal email for that</i>
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molbioguy将近 11 年前
Vacation deletion of emails could be workable IF the only things that came across your work email were work-related requests from real people. However, for most people, the separation of work and personal (or pseudo personal) in email is not so complete, and many emails are notifications from automated (no-reply) systems. Deleting messages in these cases may cause more headaches upon return than it&#x27;s worth.<p>Being resolute about putting aside work and email while on vacation is a personal responsibility, not an email robot&#x27;s function. Put up a reasonable out-of-office message and put down the technology if you&#x27;re on vacation.
DharmaPolice将近 11 年前
While an idea like this sounds appealing it seems to assume all emails you get are a bother (either because they&#x27;re irrelevant or because they&#x27;re asking you to do something).<p>I get useful emails all the time (or at least, emails that I should see) and quite a few of these are from automated systems which don&#x27;t give a damn whether I&#x27;m there or not. If a third-party support desk sends me an automated &quot;Ticket Closed&quot; email for a call I&#x27;ve had open for months then I need to be aware of that, and deleting the email doesn&#x27;t really help anyone (except them maybe).
Gracana将近 11 年前
How does this work when, say, someone from outside the company emails you? I&#x27;ve been badgering the shit out of a bunch of different companies to try to get a solution for a very specific and complex problem. I need to have good relationships with their application engineers. Auto-responses telling them I&#x27;m deleting their emails seems like the sort of thing that might make them decide that my business isn&#x27;t worth their time. Would outside emails be exempt from this policy?
FryHigh将近 11 年前
This is a brilliant idea. A corporate email account gets lots of emails: people leaving, people joining, meeting requests, missing mobiles, cars parked wrong, fire drills, etc. Not to mention broken builds, etc.<p>Holiday email within work environment where there is someone else covering for you suould all be deleted. In the case of Dailmer, the out of office clearly explains that the email is going to be deleted.
bachmeier将近 11 年前
Seems that this defeats the purpose of email. You can send someone an email and they can handle it when it fits their schedule. The auto reply is nice, giving the names of others that can help them is nice, but telling them the message will be deleted and that they will have to send it again doesn&#x27;t serve a purpose. Maybe this differs across cultures.
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stronglikedan将近 11 年前
This seems like a solution looking for a problem. The proposed &quot;problem&quot; of trawling through hundreds of emails doesn&#x27;t seem like a problem to me.<p>I just go through and flag actionable items, instead of trying to answer anything right away. I start with the newest messages first, so I can ignore the thread of messages that lead up to the latest.<p>I&#x27;ve never spent more than an hour narrowing hundreds of emails down to a few that still require my attention. A small price to pay to keep things from falling through the cracks, because guess who is going to get blamed when someone forgets to resend an important message to me?
nextweek2将近 11 年前
I hate out of office replies. Usually they are just filling my inbox with something I already know or don&#x27;t care.<p>If I need a response within a short timeframe, I&#x27;d email the details AND use a synchronse communications platform, like a telephone.<p>Use the right tool for the job, whats next the post office offering out of house replies to people that post something to you?
snorkel将近 11 年前
I knew of one VP who got away with trashing his inbox while on vacation because he was the boss, but understandable that his email box was full all of the time with stuff that he didn&#x27;t need to know.<p>The logic is simple though: If your email is really important then it&#x27;s important enough to resend.
smackfu将近 11 年前
If I deleted all my holiday email on the day I returned, then I would actually have to work that day. I much prefer the current system of, &quot;Sorry, I&#x27;m still working my way through my emails&quot; while I get back up to speed.
Roboprog将近 11 年前
Despite the few odd drawbacks to this approach mentioned elsewhere here, I think I speak for most of us who have worked in a corporate office when I say...<p>FxxK YEAH!!!<p>Give the surplus email the &quot;FAX machine&quot; treatment! (&quot;Office Space&quot; reference)
qwerta将近 11 年前
This sort of rules usually result in double standards. HR drones and other departments have great work-life balance. While software devs are chained to their desks, and can only take holidays when it suits company.
elsporko将近 11 年前
&quot;Sorry I didn&#x27;t get your message. I must have been on vacation and it got deleted.&quot;<p>Also what kind of holes does it create in email threads for conversations that happen before and after the vacation?
ronnier将近 11 年前
I don&#x27;t just receive email on major holidays (let alone vacation), I receive code reviews! Code reviews still roll in while the office is closed for major US holidays.
smackfu将近 11 年前
Doesn&#x27;t this assume that people actually read the out-of-office message?
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milge将近 11 年前
It&#x27;s a shame something like this would never fly in the US.
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lazylizard将近 11 年前
we had a joke..if they can&#x27;t get someone to take over you while you&#x27;re on vacation then the problem is not big enough..