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Old car batteries could make cheaper, more efficient solar panels

75 点作者 nkzednan将近 11 年前

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gjm11将近 11 年前
To rephrase the story a little: Instead of making solar panels out of silicon, with 20-25% efficiency, we could make them out of perovskite, which contains lead and yields a little below 20% efficiency. Because then we could reuse lead from car batteries instead of putting them in landfill.<p>It seems to me that by the time the car batteries are in the recycling system, ready for use to make perovskite solar panels, the lead-pollution problem is already solved. So then the question is: You have a stash of car batteries that you can reuse if you want to. Do you want to make solar panels out of silicon or out of perovskite?<p>It looks to me as if the answer is clearly &quot;silicon&quot;. Can it really be harder to dispose of the lead batteries safely than it is to make perovskite solar panels out of them?<p>It had better not be, given that the amount of lead needed by one solar panel installation is about 1&#x2F;30 the amount in one car battery. There are a <i>lot</i> more car batteries made per year than 1&#x2F;30 the number of solar panel installations.
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bequanna将近 11 年前
&#x27;Instead of adding more lead to the environment, this process would actually prevent lead in defunct car batteries from entering landfills.&#x27;<p>As I understand it, batteries are voluntarily recycled. By changing what the batteries are recycled into, how is this preventing those who currently throw used batteries in a dumpster from continuing that practice?<p>We&#x27;ve done a good job recognizing the health threat lead in our environment poses and actively working to reducing levels.<p>Given that there isn&#x27;t really any safe amount of lead exposure, maybe it is just more prudent to permanently transition away from using lead in all products where feasible.<p>Lead Blood &#x27;Levels of Concern&#x27; over time: <a href="http://www.lead.org.au/lanv14n1/lead_s18.gif" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.lead.org.au&#x2F;lanv14n1&#x2F;lead_s18.gif</a>
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maho将近 11 年前
The researchers synthesize 21 kg of PbI2 out of a single battery. PbI2 has a density of around 6 g&#x2F;cm^3. The solar cells have a 500nm coat of PbI2. If I do the math, then I get 7000 m^2 of solar panels out of it [1], which is 10x more than what they claim. How can this be?<p>In the paper [2], on the bottom of page 4, they give the answer to this discrepancy:<p>&quot;By considering the structure of PSCs (~500 nm-thick PbI2 coating) and the material loss during the spin-coating process (~89.6%), 21.5 kg of PbI2 enables the fabrication of ~709.0 m2 PSCs.&quot;<p>This seems ridiculous. If you use 21 kg of material for spin coating, 19 kg don&#x27;t just vanish into thin air. I would imagine that the material that is flung off can be collected in the bottom (or somewhere else). But maybe that is not possible?<p>If 90% of the material would disappear during spin-coating, then how can the researches claim that they safely recycle lead? They are doing the exact opposite!<p>[1] <a href="https://www.google.com/search?q=21+kg+%2F+(6+g%2F(cm^3))%2F(500+nm)" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.google.com&#x2F;search?q=21+kg+%2F+(6+g%2F(cm^3))%2F(...</a><p>[2] <a href="http://pubs.rsc.org/en/Content/ArticleLanding/2014/EE/C4EE00965G" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;pubs.rsc.org&#x2F;en&#x2F;Content&#x2F;ArticleLanding&#x2F;2014&#x2F;EE&#x2F;C4EE00...</a>
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raverbashing将近 11 年前
Lead batteries are not going away. Modern batteries don&#x27;t have a lot of the advantages that they have (cost, float charging, starting current, etc)<p>The batteries are sealed, it&#x27;s not like they&#x27;re being expelled in the exhaust like in Tetraethyllead or being in close contact with people.<p>Sure it&#x27;s better to recycle them or dispose of them properly rather than throwing in a landfill, but let&#x27;s stop the knee-jerk reaction &quot;lead == bad&quot;
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maho将近 11 年前
Original MIT press release: <a href="http://newsoffice.mit.edu/2014/recycling-batteries-into-solar-cells-0818" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;newsoffice.mit.edu&#x2F;2014&#x2F;recycling-batteries-into-sola...</a><p>Paper (non free, unfortunately): <a href="http://pubs.rsc.org/en/Content/ArticleLanding/2014/EE/C4EE00965G#!divAbstract" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;pubs.rsc.org&#x2F;en&#x2F;Content&#x2F;ArticleLanding&#x2F;2014&#x2F;EE&#x2F;C4EE00...</a><p>As far as I understand it (I am not a chemist), the video only shows the production of perovskite crystals. The paper goes into more details on the fabrictation process of actual solar cells:<p>- Patterning the FTO coated glass (glass with a transparent, conductive layer; you can buy this commercially) using photolithography.<p>- Depositing a 500nm thick layer of 20 nm TiO2 nanoparticles<p>- Depositing the perovskite (this is what is shown in the video)<p>- Depositing a 50nm gold layer
ErikRogneby将近 11 年前
Lead is certainly a lot more common than the Indium used in high efficiency silicon panels.
mikexstudios将近 11 年前
A disadvantage of perovskite solar cells is that they degrade quickly upon contact with moisture. So they need to be encapsulated very well.