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Coinbase Insured

137 点作者 markmassie超过 10 年前

8 条评论

dsil超过 10 年前
Unless I&#x27;m misunderstanding, they&#x27;re really saying they&#x27;re now insured for ~3% of the BTC they hold. For security, they&#x27;ve always said they only store about that much online, the rest is offline cold storage, but this post says:<p>&quot;Coinbase is now insured against theft and hacking in an amount that exceeds the average value of bitcoin it holds in online storage at any given time.&quot;<p>So you&#x27;re still at the mercy of their offline storage security. Not saying there is a better option for most people, but this wouldn&#x27;t protect you against a Gox-like breach.
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drcode超过 10 年前
For people not experienced with bitcoin: For some types of bitcoin wallets the user retains their own private key, whereas with other wallets they have to trust a 3rd party (like coinbase) with their keys. This second type isn&#x27;t really a wallet any more, per se... it&#x27;s more like a bank that you are trusting with your money.<p>Of course, bitcoin startups really want to use the second model, where THEY control the money, which gives them many more avenues for profit: As any salesman knows, the closer you are to the money in a business, the more money you&#x27;re likely to make yourself.<p>This means bitcoin companies are bending over backwards to say &quot;look how safe your money is!&quot; However, be aware if you ever buy bitcoins, it is much better to store your own bitcoins or use a wallet that allows you to manage your own private keys, or use a (now trendy) multisig wallet where the wallet company can&#x27;t move money without your permission.<p>If a bitcoin bank says &quot;We insure our bitcoins&quot; your best response is &quot;No thanks, I&#x27;d rather not have to trust you with my money in the first place.&quot; The whole raison d&#x27;être of bitcoin is that such trust isn&#x27;t necessary.
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thinkcomp超过 10 年前
Regardless of whatever private insurance it has, Coinbase does not have a money transmission license in California or a surety bond as required by federal and state law.<p>They know they need one; they have applied in other states, such as Florida. See <a href="https://archive.org/download/coinbasefloridamtl/20140415.coinbaseflorida.pdf" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.org&#x2F;download&#x2F;coinbasefloridamtl&#x2F;20140415.coi...</a>.<p>Interestingly, Coinbase appears to offer false information to the State of Florida in item 6(A)(2) of its application, which has since been withdrawn. Coinbase did receive a subpoena in the NY DFS&#x27;s investigation of various Bitcoin companies in August, 2013. See <a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/12/us-digitalcurrency-subpoena-bitcoin-idUSBRE97B03720130812" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reuters.com&#x2F;article&#x2F;2013&#x2F;08&#x2F;12&#x2F;us-digitalcurrency...</a>.
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NotAtWork超过 10 年前
The bitcoin insurance policy I want from an exchange is where they insure me against loss due to actions taken by the exchange and underwritten by a major underwriter, and not the exchange itself. Only then would I really believe that the exchange meant to protect my bitcoins fully, because they&#x27;ve essentially put themselves on the hook for the damages (by having to bear the cost of the insurance policy, recouped by some kind of holding fee or transaction fee).<p>The exchange having insurance does relatively little to protect me against loss, even if it&#x27;s a smart business move on their part to limit their losses to creditors in the event of a theft of inventory. That&#x27;s only sane business, and it&#x27;s a little crazy how long it took that to become normal in bitcoin.<p>It seems (naively) reasonable that the exchange could float something like 10k-20k policies of some mixture of 0.1btc, 0.5btc, and 1btc protection, depending on the level of activity in an account, and require that anyone holding more bitcoin than that in their trading account take out a separate policy for that amount or else acknowledge that they&#x27;re only protected up to 1btc. (An additional corporate policy against theft of inventory seems reasonable, and likely would lower the rate on these separate policies, since the underwriter would know you could cover some degree of loss already, through that policy.)<p>Edit:<p>Thinking about the numbers, it would only be ~$20 million of coverage to cover 50,000 customers (40,000 at 0.5btc and 10,000 at 1btc). This seems reasonable.
polarix超过 10 年前
How are premiums calculated for this kind of insurance? Are there software insurance tiers based on code &amp; systems inspections?
jordanbrown超过 10 年前
Off topic, but why does it still take 4 days to buy bitcoins from the site?
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tszming超过 10 年前
&gt;&gt; Our users, of course, won’t be charged for this insurance.<p>So, where the money came from?
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easyfree37超过 10 年前
&quot;Our users, of course, won’t be charged for this insurance.&quot; Of course. For now.