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The Truth We Won't Admit: Drinking Is Healthy

64 点作者 jhonovich超过 10 年前

13 条评论

davvid超过 10 年前
The author has been funded in the past by the Distilled Spirits Council of the United States (a trade organization) and the Wine Institute.<p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanton_Peele#Funding" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Stanton_Peele#Funding</a><p>This article makes it sound like there are no health concerns with regular drinking.
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jnbiche超过 10 年前
What if a pharmaceutical company invented a pill that resulted in a modest but significant reduction in the risk of heart disease in 90% of the population, but resulted massive increase in the risk of premature mortality in 10% of the population, easily shaving off 10-40 years in life expectancy in that 10%, depending on the severity of their reaction to the drug.<p>The company could find absolutely no way to tell the two populations apart prior to administering the pill. Most critically, once the 10% took the pill for a short period of time, they almost always ended up suffering the adverse effects.<p>Do you think the FDA would approve that pill? Do you think any sane doctor would prescribe that pill to his&#x2F;her patients?<p>So absolutely, if you are <i>sure</i> you don&#x27;t have any alcoholic tendencies (and if you have to ask, you aren&#x27;t sure), then drink a glass or two of red wine a day (depending on your body mass). It will almost certainly improve your cardiovascular health.<p>But don&#x27;t expect medical or public health professionals to go singing its praises from the rooftops to a partially at-risk population.
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_delirium超过 10 年前
&gt; If you don’t distinguish binge drinking from daily moderate drinking, that would be due to Americans’ addiction-phobia, which causes them to interpret any daily drinking as addictive.<p>This is a quite common attitude in northern Europe as well, or at least in the Nordic countries. In Denmark it&#x27;s highly suspicious to drink alcohol on a weekday (<i>especially</i> at lunch), unless it&#x27;s a holiday, and will lead people to worry about alcoholism. But it&#x27;s completely normal to have 6+ drinks on a weekend evening. Maybe even <i>every</i> weekend evening. You can binge-drink as much as you want, as long as it&#x27;s only Fri-Sat (sometimes Thu). In fact it&#x27;s even sort of expected; <i>not</i> doing so might raise suspicions that you&#x27;re some kind of weird religious person (Mormon? Muslim?). Not sure how this arose, but it seems to be the cultural norm: 14 drinks&#x2F;wk spread out as 1 each with lunch&#x2F;dinner every day is seen as alcoholic, but the same 14 drinks&#x2F;wk spread out as 7 each on Fri&#x2F;Sat evenings is culturally normal. Whereas in southern Europe the opposite is more often true, at least traditionally, with weekend binge-drinking seen as more questionable than moderate daily drinking.
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spacehome超过 10 年前
&gt; In fact, the evidence that abstinence from alcohol is a cause of heart disease and early death is irrefutable<p>I&#x27;m sorry, but the author drastically overstates the certainty of our current knowledge. Every single piece of evidence he marshals is a study, not an experiment, so who knows what the confounding factors are. And even worse, the studies necessarily depend on self-reported alcohol consumption, which, as any doctor knows, is basically just a bunch of lies.<p>There&#x27;s a huge history of scientific consensuses being wrong, particularly surrounding health in the last 30 years. I think we should be cautious about jumping to conclusions of what these studies actually mean. That he calls his hypothesis &quot;irrefutable&quot; is downright appalling.
durakot超过 10 年前
&quot;The more alcohol a society consumes, the fewer alcohol-related problems and alcohol-related deaths (including cirrhosis) it has.&quot;<p>Heh, what? Exhibit A: Russia. I&#x27;m all for copious drinking, but that&#x27;s comedy.
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baking超过 10 年前
I&#x27;m sorry, but when you see the huge drop from &quot;none&quot; to &quot;less than daily&quot; in men you know there has to be something else going on there that only happens to be correlated with alcohol consumption.
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grizzkill超过 10 年前
What if the people in the &#x27;none&#x27; group can&#x27;t drink because of a medical condition? Many medical conditions are already associated with shortened life spans, and alcohol often interferes with medication.
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js2超过 10 年前
I don&#x27;t know a site that collects more research on the topic than <a href="http://www2.potsdam.edu/alcohol/AlcoholAndHealth.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www2.potsdam.edu&#x2F;alcohol&#x2F;AlcoholAndHealth.html</a>
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stretchwithme超过 10 年前
Gingivitis is associated with heart disease. Is it possible alcohol could just be killing bacteria enough to reduce the effect?<p>Instead of taking up alcohol, consider hitting those gums with an electric toothbrush at least once a day.
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dang超过 10 年前
<a href="https://hn.algolia.com/?q=drinking+is+healthy#!/story/forever/0/drinking%20is%20healthy" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hn.algolia.com&#x2F;?q=drinking+is+healthy#!&#x2F;story&#x2F;foreve...</a>
aaron695超过 10 年前
As far as I&#x27;m concerned, this thread should be about the fact the government and health care professionals are lying to us about the facts because they think they know best.<p>Whether the advice is best for society or not doesn&#x27;t matter, they are lying to you. This concerns me a lot.
m0skit0超过 10 年前
I call bullshit. There&#x27;s nothing in the while article that proves drinking is healthy. The author heavily relies on the wrong logic of &quot;correlation means causality&quot;.
gdonelli超过 10 年前
Everything in moderation is good my grandma used to say...
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