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Seniors and the generation spending gap

62 点作者 kareemm超过 10 年前

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cldellow超过 10 年前
My favourite bugbear: deferred property tax for seniors.<p>I&#x27;ve always thought that age was a fascinating element in these programs. Why not just have programs for low-income people, full stop -- why make it low-income seniors?<p>And then the logical followup: how are you financially vulnerable if you have an asset worth hundreds of thousands of dollars?<p>Some jurisdictions in Canada do these programs better than others. My hometown of Kitchener, Ontario requires that you be receiving the federal guaranteed income suppement (given to all retired folk below a certain income threshold) before they let you defer your property taxes. The province of British Columbia will defer property taxes for anyone over age 55. If I lived in BC, I would certainly choose to defer property tax, with interest assessed at 1%&#x2F;year, and invest the deferred tax in the market. In fact, I might invest the difference in BC bonds -- which pay 3.4%&#x2F;year. What a sham for the taxpayer.
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fra超过 10 年前
The more I read about this, the more I think that what we&#x27;re facing in North America isn&#x27;t class war, it&#x27;s &quot;generation&quot; war.<p>By &quot;Limited Government&quot; the baby-boomers backed republican party means &quot;screw schools &amp; food stamps, but hands off my medicare!&quot;.
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jrapdx3超过 10 年前
There is huge liability in living to be old. Sure, work hard, save money for old age, and get old, there&#x27;s a stash of funds.<p>But even a million bucks has got to last the rest of your life, and who knows, my aunt is 100 years old, and still going. Retire at, let&#x27;s say 70, and figure it out, will that stash last up to 30 years?<p>Do the math, taking out taxes at 25%, that&#x27;s $25000&#x2F;year. With social security, around $4000&#x2F;month, just an estimate. How wealthy is that? Is it really even adequate?<p>Consider what happens with age: people get sick, bodies deteriorate, it&#x27;s natural. Go to the ER, have an MRI, a hospital stay, whatever, it can be thousands out of pocket, even with medicare + insurance.<p>With serious illness, that million bucks can go fast. And even if there is good health care to be found, which is dubious, it&#x27;s still scary and a constantly threatening reality.<p>Don&#x27;t forget the house payments, computer gear and all the other normal stuff one needs to buy. If the house is paid up, chances are it&#x27;s an old house and will need repair. Price out what a new roof or furnace costs (I&#x27;ve had to replace both in the last couple of years).<p>OK I&#x27;m old but I still go to work, though I can&#x27;t do that forever. Call it what you will, I have a wealth of experience, accomplishment, family and great friends, but not a princely cache of money. Many old citizens are in a far more precarious position as financial security goes. I hope no one thinks it&#x27;s a trivial concern.
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michaelochurch超过 10 年前
First of all, when I&#x27;m old please don&#x27;t call me a &quot;senior&quot;. Call me &quot;old&quot;. There&#x27;s no shame in it, and nothing wrong with the word.<p>From the OP: <i>Why are we doing so much to try to help seniors when they’re already the wealthiest generation in history?</i><p>At least in the U.S., it&#x27;s because they&#x27;re politically active. They vote. They mobilize. They demand services, for the tax dollars they&#x27;ve paid when young and that they are paying now.<p>Invert the question: why <i>don&#x27;t</i> young people demand much of their government? Why do we seem to be content with a system (and this goes beyond government, into the workplace) that costs so much and delivers so little? Why are we OK with high housing costs and stagnant wages? Why don&#x27;t we demand the government to step in on airlines&#x27; sleazy dynamic pricing games, where a person using a different device to book the same flight at the same time pays a different fare? How come, when we&#x27;re paying tax rates well over 30%, we don&#x27;t have universal healthcare, and even if we&#x27;re insured we still get crappy medical care and coverage? Why do we tolerate that? Why haven&#x27;t we unionized or formed professional associations in software?<p>Here&#x27;s the answer. The critical difference between young and old is that the old people <i>know</i> their financial situations aren&#x27;t going to dramatically improve. An old person of average financial outcome has no delusions that he&#x27;ll be a tech billionaire in 3 years if he can just save up for his move to the Valley. Young people haven&#x27;t figured that out yet, and still believe that they can beat the astronomical odds against them, and therefore tend reflexively to identify with the rich.<p>The plight of the young can be ignored because the young haven&#x27;t figured out yet how badly most of them are going to lose, and that political activism (again, perhaps in the form of workplace collective bargaining instead of electoral canvassing) is essential to keeping them afloat.
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rcarrigan87超过 10 年前
Does anyone have US numbers for the stats cited in this article?<p>Side note: while this article paints seniors as maybe getting more than they deserve, financial elder abuse is a huge problem already in the US. Articles like this worry me because some may twist the points to justify stealing. Rich or not, it&#x27;s very easy to take advantage of the elderly. I&#x27;ve seen family members, caregivers, family lawyers, etc. do terrible things for money. It&#x27;s sad.
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t1m超过 10 年前
The article is about well off seniors in Canada.<p>I wonder if the situation is much different in the US. The health care system is certainly different. One gets the impression the system in the US preys on seniors as employer benefits evaporate after retirement while insurance premiums skyrocket or are denied because of &#x27;pre-existing conditions&#x27;.
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Htsthbjig超过 10 年前
Wow!: “But they shouldn’t expect to be subsidized by the poor.”<p>Something is very clear: politicians always want more, and more and more. They never have enough taxes.<p>&quot;Thanks to stock market booms, economic growth, a soaring real estate market and a major expansion in both private and government pension plans&quot;<p>I don&#x27;t know Canada, but here in Europe pensions are shrinking, and stock market is a bubble that will pop when interest types rise, and they will soon(they are unsustainable now).<p>I am young and the only thing I need is freedom, economic freedom included, let bubbles burst so we could acquire our houses and cars at the right price. They let it only go up, then they try to sustain it artificially injecting public money in banks and making &quot;bad banks&quot;also public.<p>Politicians and taxes are the problem, not the solution.
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transfire超过 10 年前
Don&#x27;t worry, they&#x27;ll get it all straightened out and start giving more to young than the old when I finally become a senior.