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iPhone 6 and Android value

103 点作者 taylorwc超过 10 年前

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rdtsc超过 10 年前
$600. I know they were always expensive. But for me, I just don&#x27;t see paying that for something I might forget, drop, sit on, lose, have it stolen.<p>I got a Moto G for $170. Paid cash, and then got on a T-Mobile month by month plan. If I break it. I&#x27;ll just go and get another one.<p>My relatives and friends have iPhones and looking and comparing them, I just don&#x27;t see the extra &quot;niceness&quot; worth the other $430. Same goes for expensive Android phones.
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declan超过 10 年前
I think the article&#x27;s author is right and that there could easily be high-end market shift from Android at the margin. On the other hand, Android Wear watches are already shipping, Google voice search is better than Siri, Google Now is kinda magic, Material Design is a very nice unified design language that is arguably better than iOS, and Android Auto could take off.<p>(By way of background, I&#x27;m working on developing <a href="http://recent.io" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;recent.io</a> for both iOS and Android. Currently I switch between an iPhone 5 and a Nexus 5 and expect to buy both the iPhone 6 and the Nexus 6&#x2F;X rumored to be coming out this fall.)<p>&gt;with the iPhone 6 Plus (a very Microsofty name, it must be said)...<p>Except for the Apple II Plus, the Mac Plus, the LaserWriter Plus, the Apple IIc Plus, the Apple III Plus[1]... In reality I&#x27;d say it&#x27;s a very Appley name! :)<p>[1] Yes, there actually was such a critter: <a href="http://support.apple.com/kb/TA31434" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;support.apple.com&#x2F;kb&#x2F;TA31434</a>
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phaus超过 10 年前
What about the 7th category, the consumer that is tired of having his wallet savaged by the four major carriers. Android offers users the opportunity to buy a high-end device, off-contract, for $350. You can then use this phone with a pre-paid service that costs 1&#x2F;2 of what the major carriers sell.<p>Maybe its a small demographic, but it seems like its growing.
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capcah超过 10 年前
I&#x27;d like to point out the writer for dismissing customisability. This is my opinion, but the popularity of some apps used to customise my phone leads me to believe I do not stand alone.<p>Let&#x27;s not forget that the android can offer advanced functionality that Apple seems to refuse to offer on its devices: access to a local file system, ability to work as an USB stick(it&#x27;s even possible to have your phone work as a boot stick), being able to turn its wireless card into monitor mode for mobile sniffing.<p>Last, but not least: Waterproofness and mechanical resistance. Apple seems to have forgotten these two points on the iPhone, even though they already have a good starting point(phone with no removable battery).<p>So, yeah, I don&#x27;t think apple will win over the premium market that easily.<p>EDIT: Adjusting newlines, forgot that newfags can&#x27;t triforce.
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harshreality超过 10 年前
It&#x27;s interesting how Apple talked about ApplePay as if it&#x27;s something revolutionary, that &quot;only Apple could do&quot;. Maybe Apple did motivate retailers to put in NFC payment hardware, but I&#x27;ve been using Google Wallet at Whole Foods (with a N5 released 9 months ago) for weeks, since they put in NFC at the payment kiosks (probably in advance of the Apple Pay launch, but that makes no difference to my ability to use them). So I had to laugh at the attempt to promote Apple Pay and NFC as a selling point of iPhone 6 and iOS 8. A little late to that party, Apple... if you&#x27;re going to show up late, don&#x27;t pretend you&#x27;re first, instead focus on how you implemented it better (which may very well be true, although I haven&#x27;t seen android 5 yet).
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higherpurpose超过 10 年前
Here&#x27;s one thing the author is missing: <i>all</i> high-end phones are essentially being &quot;disrupted&quot; by lower cost models that are getting increasingly better - or in other words just as good as the high-end ones were 2-3 years ago, when many people were <i>very happy</i> with their high-end phones at the time.<p>Why do you think Apple&#x27;s market share is steadily declining at the global levels? It&#x27;s because of the lower-cost phones. So Apple may &quot;win&quot; the 600+ dollar&#x2F;euro high-end, just like they won in the $1,000+ PC market, and while that will no doubt continue to remain profitable for Apple, it will ultimately mean Apple has a <i>small market share</i>, and therefore a smaller ecosystem.
Zigurd超过 10 年前
The BIG HUGE problem with the article is in using app store revenue to measure &quot;value to the ecosystem.&quot; Google does not show signs of caring about app store revenue and would certainly continue to develop Android without that revenue. Google has a completely different ecosystem than Apple.<p>That said, The value of the new iPhones is considerable. They will make a dent in Android market share, but not as big a dent as had they been &quot;indestructable&quot; sapphire clad.
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buro9超过 10 年前
If you follow Benedict Evans on Twitter then you know that he is something of an Apple fan boy, so it&#x27;s hard to read such a piece without noting that there is already considerable bias in it.<p>I&#x27;d like to address the first list though, &quot;There are a bunch of reasons why someone would buy a high-end Android rather than an iPhone&quot;.<p>That list does not include the two reasons that myself and people I know use Android:<p>1. We wish to have control over our devices<p>2. We have not invested heavily in either Apple or Google and we avoid making choices that will force us to be invested in one over the other<p>On the first point, control may be about privacy (using something like XPrivacy), personalisation (perhaps CyanogenMod), adblock (AdAway), or simply having more control over what runs to be able to extend the battery of a Nexus 5 to a few days of heavy use rather than a single day (kill all the background services but still have the apps available for us to use).<p>On the second point, myself and my friends do not use Google as an ecosystem or as a range of permanent services and virtual assistants. We invariably are using different launchers (Nova is most common), perhaps Duck Duck Go... and our Google footprint is really just to use some Google apps as standalone apps (Gmail, calendar, drive). We tend to get media from Kindle, or Spotify... so we&#x27;re not even hooked on Google Play.<p>What this means is that we&#x27;ve avoided deep lock-in with Google, and we make choices that avoid being locked in to Microsoft or Apple too.<p>When I think of what most of my friends use, it&#x27;s a mix of technologies. Apple and Lenovo laptops, the latter running Windows or Linux. iPods and Cowon music players. Mostly Android phones.<p>The biggest reasons not to go for an iPhone are the same reasons we haven&#x27;t gone for an iPhone to date: It feels like an all or nothing decision that would be hard to change in the future.<p>The value of an iPhone seems to be of the entire Apple ecosystem, it makes sense if you&#x27;ve bought into it already, or are choosing to buy into it, but not if you do not choose to be locked in.<p>The value, to us, of an Android device is that you can get the benefits of this technology without having to be part of any ecosystem, Google&#x27;s or Samsung&#x27;s or that of anyone else (Amazon?).<p>I&#x27;m not sure it&#x27;s possible for Benedict to see this any more... he&#x27;s personally so deep into the Apple world that his perspective is skewed by that reality. The question of why anyone would choose <i>not</i> to be a part of an ecosystem isn&#x27;t even asked. He&#x27;s made it an Apple vs Google question, when the people I know using Android are not even considering that question.<p>PS: If I think of what entices people to consider an Apple iPhone more than anything else, it&#x27;s the camera (usually noted as the software ecosystem around the camera). Photography on an iPhone bests every Android device there is. This is the single reason that some of my friends have an iPhone.
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minusSeven超过 10 年前
From an Indian perspective Iphone prices in India are really well out of budget of most people. Only people who can afford Iphone go for them. But even then lot of people like to try other options. Android is really dominant here and most people are rather familiar with the Android ecosystems.
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fpgeek超过 10 年前
One the one hand, this argument sounds plausible.<p>On the other, we&#x27;ve seen this movie before. Remember Verizon? The iPhone 5 (LTE and a screen-size bump)? NTT DoCoMo and China Mobile?<p>These were all supposed to be game-changers. And while they all helped Apple sell plenty of phones, the Android&#x2F;iPhone game didn&#x27;t really change.<p>I&#x27;m sure the iPhone 6 and 6+ will be very successful. But I&#x27;m going to need to see something more before I believe that this time the game really will change.
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ZeroGravitas超过 10 年前
Is all that money that the App store rakes in still mostly crappy, IAP-stuffed mobile games?<p>I know people like to pretend it&#x27;s all artisanal productivity apps, but aren&#x27;t the revenue numbers like 80% games?<p>(A quick Google finds some sources vaguely claiming this was true a couple of years ago, can&#x27;t quickly find newer or better sourced stats)
diminish超过 10 年前
The Apple&#x27;s sales market share of non-phablets &lt;5&quot; is known, around 20% for 14Q2 where sub-5&quot; make up 60% of the total market ( Tomi Ahonen).<p>The upcoming hidden truth is that Apple is on its way for a single digit global smartphone market share. It&#x27;s main strength appears to be the operator lock in in US mainly and elsewhere. Moto360 and others are even competing against this point with a price lower than just the contract prepayment.<p>Another problem is the looming lower overall smartphone growth next year, which will drive prices further down. Fred Wilson ended up being right, in that, the smartphone market turned out to be similar to PC market where a dominant ~90% Android will be next to a single digit Apple.
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jasonwen超过 10 年前
About the value of Apple vs Android users, it also helps that Apple has an easier payment system with Touch ID. This will only increase in the future.<p>Android however does have introduced a 2-hour money back guarantee on apps. This might increase the spend on apps.
Htsthbjig超过 10 年前
I have an additional reason:<p>7.Taking notes on our devices.<p>I have an iphone for developing iOS and a galaxy Note.<p>I hate lots on things on Android(painfully slow and half baked) but note taking I love.
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dude3超过 10 年前
Apple needs to publish SunSpider Javascript and other real world browser benchmarks. The new A8 is going to be much faster than a 2.7 805 in the Note 4. The iPhone is actually a great deal when you consider performance.<p><a href="http://hothardware.com/articleimages/Item2222/sunspider.png" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;hothardware.com&#x2F;articleimages&#x2F;Item2222&#x2F;sunspider.png</a>
msoad超过 10 年前
Take me as an example:<p>I&#x27;m switching to iOS from a high end Android phone. My main reasons are better privacy and better user experience. My main reason I switched to Android was screen size.
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personZ超过 10 年前
This article is a bit like postulating &quot;Why you might not eat steak for dinner&quot;, and then positing reasons that all orbits the assumption that steak is your default choice, and alternatives must therefore have extenuating circumstances. It is an absurd foundation.<p>Did the grocer get more commission selling you chicken? (sidenote: That commission bit appears in every conspiracy laden story about Android&#x27;s rise, despite having zero empirical evidence. Indeed, many carriers do more to market and pitch the iPhone than any other brand, implying something very different).<p>For most people now, smartphones are <i>largely</i> interchangeable. They really are. You have a browser, can make calls, can access Netflix and your fantasy football app and Facebook and Twitter, etc. An iPhone 6x versus a GS 5, for instance, to many users it is simply a wash. Apple has tried hard to lock people into an ecosystem (Facetime me? No, Skype or Hangouts me please), but those efforts have fallen by the wayside and are becoming more of a hindrance than a benefit.<p>So it comes down to marketing (you know, like having U2 and giving out albums to gain more attention for your keynote) and differentiating features. Apple tried with the &quot;true tone&quot; flash or whatever. HTC is trying the dual-lens camera. Others make their devices waterproof. And so on. It isn&#x27;t so clear.<p>Further, Ben Evans isn&#x27;t just a bit of an Apple fan boy -- he is a huge Apple fan boy, with compromised credibility outside of that circle. He got a taste of the Apple aficionado love so now he panders to it fullstop. And given that Evans loves pointing out the payout to developers (then, <i>absurdly</i> calculating per capita metrics because it sells his point), note that the Play Store payout is growing more quickly than the App Store is -- YoY growth in the most recent yearly period was 150%. At current rates the Play Store will payout more than Apple within a year. But of course they&#x27;re both very lucrative targets, and it would be folly to ignore either, and it&#x27;s bizarre that this metric even appears in a piece contemplating consumer choices.
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