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ChromeOS will no longer support ext2/3/4 on external drives/SD cards

200 点作者 doublextremevil超过 10 年前

28 条评论

sah88超过 10 年前
First you have to void your warranty to properly dual boot now this? They want to drop support for a file format so they can make renaming drives easier?<p>I&#x27;m actually in the market for a new laptop&#x2F;netbook. I was very close to purchasing a ChromeOS device as I work primarily on a desktop and have a laptop for travel but its pretty old, heavy and battery unfriendly. Then I found out I had to void the warranty to properly dual boot.<p>Seems like a giant fuck you to the Linux community given how much Google has benefited from Linux(ChromeOS even runs on the Linux kernel) and they put out laptops that are more locked down than your average windows laptops? Pretty disappointing.<p>I am assuming the write protect screws are there at the behest of Google.
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DCKing超过 10 年前
The title of this article is needlessly inflammatory. Can some mod change it? <i>ChromeOS</i> is not dropping support ext* at all; its <i>files application</i> that is meant to be used with external drives is. That&#x27;s a pretty huge difference.<p>I actually think the rationale for this is pretty good:<p>&gt; Re #19, we understand that this was an undesirable decision for some users, but we sometimes need to make a product decision like this. Chrome and Chrome OS strive for simplicity. Every feature comes with complexity. Complexity adds maintenance cost, QA cost, slows down development, and adds surface of security exploits (as mentioned in #12). We should add a feature only if its benefit clearly outweighs its cost, but this particular feature was slipped in for some historical reason.<p>It&#x27;s a shame for the people who were actually using this. But lots of people are overlooking that <i>this is just about the ChromeOS files application</i>: ChromeOS can still mount and access ext* drives in general through its Linux kernel and utilities, Crouton and the likes can still use it, and people who specifically need to use the files app for whatever reason have plenty of choices for a file system.
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microcolonel超过 10 年前
ChromiumOS developers can&#x27;t even implement a script to relabel EXT volumes? No wonder their kernel tree is such a mess, they must barely know what they&#x27;re doing.<p>Also, I&#x27;d say you can safely assume that those 1-2% of users that use EXT volumes externally(which by the way, is a LOT of people, several million at least) are developers, and this will surely piss them off.
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nkuttler超过 10 年前
&gt; On a related note, we may want to re-evaluate whether we&#x27;d like to continue supporting ext2&#x2F;3&#x2F;4 filesystems (~2% of users, and the majority is probably Chrome OS developers) in File.app.<p>Yes, please, drop support for something the developers use, what could go wrong?<p>The title seems misleading though, it seems that only the built in file manager will drop support for ext, and even then, maybe only for a specific feature?
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lucb1e超过 10 年前
And thus we returned to the stone ages of unjournaled FAT(-like) filesystems or bad NTFS driver implementations (the only good one is Microsoft&#x27;s, and I doubt they&#x27;ll be handing over the code for Chromium).<p>It&#x27;s not even something consumers see, it&#x27;s a driver for crying out loud. It doesn&#x27;t even make sense to remove it for &quot;product simplicity&quot; as they are claiming now.<p>Edit: Left a comment with another argument about FAT being a bitmap filesystem (versus ext4&#x27;s binary trees) and that developers are the people that are going to code for their OS. Ignoring the 1% is not the smartest move. <a href="https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=315401#c45" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;code.google.com&#x2F;p&#x2F;chromium&#x2F;issues&#x2F;detail?id=315401#c...</a>
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imrehg超过 10 年前
Of course as per Comment #21 someone has to make project management decisions, but decisions like &quot;Chromium OS is for consumer devices which should not need support for mounting external ext4 storage&quot; is just so painful to read. It&#x27;s just a pile of assumptions that goes against the evidence of given my a lot of comments.
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vxNsr超过 10 年前
I&#x27;m disappointed to see Chrome dropping features but it&#x27;s even more disappointing to see the comments after this hit HN front page:<p>&gt;#37 vitalifs...@gmail.com<p>&gt;Are you idiots to remove ext support? Don&#x27;t want to explain more than that.<p>&gt;Today (5 hours ago) #38 StromCl...@gmail.com<p>&gt;Sounds very very stupid (to remove Linux standard file systems)!<p>&gt;#42 Shve...@gmail.com<p>&gt;Sorry but you guys are mentally retarded at best.
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dscrd超过 10 年前
Given that this is the main filesystem in Linux, and is thereby automatically well supported by anything that leverages Linux, this choice makes absolutely no sense. Somebody in Google decided this; somebody in Google is a total idiot.
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userbinator超过 10 年前
Security. Simplicity. Convenience.<p>Does it seem like these words are being used as a generic reason to justify almost anything these days? I think that and the continued trend of removing &quot;developer-only&quot; features are really going to decrease the number of future developers (because of all the hoops they have to jump through), so they&#x27;re basically shooting themselves in the foot.
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xg15超过 10 年前
It looks like this ticket was opened a year ago, during which almost no discussion took place. People only started to voice objections after the patch was already written and submitted.<p>I think it would be useful if tickets with breaking changes could come to the public&#x27;s attention a bit earlier than this time.<p>I have no idea how to find such tickets of course. The search function of the issue tracker doesn&#x27;t seem very helpful...
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dingaling超过 10 年前
Thereby entrenching the FAT patent fee scheme.<p>This is a very odd decision that originated in the difficulty of renaming external volumes ( why was this considerd important? ) and then became conflated with &#x27;security&#x27;.<p>I believe the kernel modules are still there, though, so you can mount ext<i>x</i> from the command line in dev mode. But not much use for everyday users.
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shams93超过 10 年前
Yeah I was wondering why I suddenly couldn&#x27;t load my crouton on external 64 gig stick, really annoying google blew off my entire android development environment.
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logicchains超过 10 年前
I wonder how the cost of maintaining ext2&#x2F;3&#x2F;4 support compares to the revenue loss from Linux developers abandoning your platform in droves...
mike-cardwell超过 10 年前
Even if I didn&#x27;t care about Ext support, there&#x27;s no way I&#x27;m going to buy into Chrome OS now. Who knows what other important features they&#x27;ll remove in future for the sake of &quot;simplicity&quot;
chris_wot超过 10 年前
One of the comments said that there was some sort of security exploit because of extra features. I really have to question what sort of reasoning this is, and what sort of maintenance burden they expect from this?
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antman超过 10 年前
Android KitKat and ChromeOS SDCard blunders pretty much show Google&#x27;s policy. They have me searching the forums for another unnecessary rooting procedure.<p>Simplicity should be optional and easily disabled through a checkbox in settings. I am afraid FirefoxOS will make the same assumptions.
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mrmondo超过 10 年前
I am actually left speechless. Who on earth thought this was a good idea?
nodata超过 10 年前
Because they can&#x27;t relabel an extX volume? How does that make any sense?
nickthemagicman超过 10 年前
Is is possible to just wipe chromeOS off of a chromebook and install a full Linux (with reasonable driver support)?
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cpks超过 10 年前
All I have to say is fuck Google. I would never use a Chromebook, for a hundred reasons. However, sabotaging Linux support in this way is both shortsighted, aggressive, and moronic.<p>Our kids need to learn to use computers. Not just use Word and Internet Explorer, but learn to hack. Not just consume, but create. Computers 30 years ago were tinkerable. Google is doing everything in its power to take away that tinkerability, and worse, to undermine tinkerable systems.
kzahel超过 10 年前
I&#x27;ll be glad if ext* support is removed from Files.app. I once had it corrupt my externally mounted ext3 hard disk and lost a ton of data. I never should have been doing that kind of thing with Files.app in the first place. It&#x27;s really only designed to be used with your &quot;Downloads&quot; folder where there&#x27;s a warning that all your files might be auto-deleted anyway.
derpenxyne超过 10 年前
A member of the team has just opened a potential solution to the problem through the new chrome.fileSystemProvider API: crbug.com&#x2F;422764
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riffraff超过 10 年前
what is the root filesystem in ChromeOS?
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ghshephard超过 10 年前
This issue was closed July 21st, 2014 - anybody care to comment what inspired its discussion today?
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higherpurpose超过 10 年前
Does it support F2FS then? That would be for the best.
bert2002超过 10 年前
luckily notices this before my trip... what the hell?
Dewie超过 10 年前
I guess that chromebook laptops are cheap (?). Chrome OS seemed appealing to me initially, because of the short start up time. But then, reasonably sized SSDs became affordable[1], and any faster boot times than what Linux + SSD can give me is kind of <i>meh</i>, to me.<p>What are the advantages of ChromeOS over other operating systems?<p>[1] And if you are considering a Chrome OS laptop, chances are that you won&#x27;t be needing something like &gt;500GB storage for it, I would presume.
mcguire超过 10 年前
The important takeaway:<p>&quot;<i>Chromium OS is for consumer devices which should not need support for mounting external ext4 storage.</i>&quot;
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