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For business school graduates, investment banking is out and consulting is in

86 点作者 sebgr超过 10 年前

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Someone1234超过 10 年前
That&#x27;s unfortunate. MBAs are toxic to businesses. They&#x27;re the classic middle-manager, the random internal goal creators, the inefficiency masters, and so on. They also, as this article makes clear, only care about short term profitability over long term growth or stability (as they won&#x27;t be there in five years anyway!).<p>You can look at tons of formally successful businesses that took in too many MBA types and lost their edge (e.g. IBM, Microsoft, HP, Cisco, et al). Google is also starting to go in that direction. Amazon has actually been fairly successful in avoiding that culture (partly due to their own internal culture being almost anti-MBA philosophy).<p>I&#x27;d happily hire an accountant, a lawyer, or even an economist. They&#x27;re all specialists who bring different knowledge and perspectives to the table. I&#x27;d avoid hiring an MBA as they&#x27;re largely useless people who just want to gum up the works with bullshit.<p>Engineers for engineering managers aren&#x27;t perfect, but at least they aren&#x27;t so far removed as MBAs are. At least once in their lives they knew what it took to deliver, and I&#x27;d prefer to train up an engineer into a decent manager than take in a pre-trained MBA.
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hammock超过 10 年前
Peter Thiel, last week, on MBAs getting jobs:<p><i>The conceit of the MBA is that you don’t need to have any substance at all. It’s just this management science, and you can apply that equally well in [any company].<p>At the end of [their MBA program], a large number of people go into whatever was the last trendy thing to do. They’ve done studies at Harvard Business School where they’ve found that the largest cohort always went into the wrong field. So in 1989, they all went to work for Michael Milken, a year or two before he went to jail. They were never interested in Silicon Valley except for 1999, 2000. The last decade their interest was housing and private equity.</i><p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/on-leadership/wp/2014/10/10/peter-thiel-on-what-works-at-work/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.washingtonpost.com&#x2F;blogs&#x2F;on-leadership&#x2F;wp&#x2F;2014&#x2F;10...</a>
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leroy_masochist超过 10 年前
I figured this would be a lively comments section. MBA-hatred might be the most common blind spot in the Valley, and it bums me out.<p>Within the historical context, the animosity makes sense; during the 99-00 bubble, fast-growing companies that were founded and led by engineers realized that they couldn&#x27;t grow managers organically and maintain their growth rate -- so, they recruited MBAs from the top schools, especially HBS and Stanford. In so doing, they made a categorical error -- they inferred that all Harvard MBAs are, at a minimum, competent managers in the same way that all Stanford CS master&#x27;s degree holders are, at a minimum, competent programmers. Many people got burned for making this assumption.<p>Anecdotal evidence suggests that the MBAs who &quot;answered the call&quot; and&#x2F;or beat down the doors of hot startups in the bubble years exemplified the worst of the MBA stereotype: arrogant, entitled pricks whose life plan from high school was get the right grades, do the right extracurricular activities, go to the right college, get the right grades, get the right internship, get the right job, kiss everyone&#x27;s ass and get good evaluations, get the right GMAT score, get into HBS, and then be anointed as the elite, highly-paid business person that they were born to be. They were process-oriented people who didn&#x27;t care about creating value, they just wanted their slice of the pie.<p>I&#x27;ll be honest, I knew a few people like this in business school, but they were a small minority. It&#x27;s unfortunate that people who meet this stereotype have punched above their weight when it comes to making an impression on popular opinion in the Valley.<p>In my case I got a lot out of going to business school. It was a great transition from military service: I got a comprehensive crash course on a lot of relevant topics, got a recruiting platform from which I got a good job where I subsequently learned a lot, and got a broad and deep network of a lot of people (most of them not douchebags) across a wide set of industries.<p>On the topic of the article itself....I think the author is trying to squeeze the data too hard. The story here is not &quot;i-banking no longer cool for trend-following MBAs&quot;, it&#x27;s &quot;i-banks are cutting costs and realizing that it&#x27;s cheaper to hire more people out of college and try to keep them around longer&quot;.
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sshah1983超过 10 年前
I don&#x27;t think it&#x27;s ever fair to generalize and hate on people just because they have a specific degree. Sometimes grad school is a good place to reboot your career and I&#x27;m of the belief that education is never a bad move.<p>There&#x27;s plenty of insanely smart people I know who have an MBA and can get their hands dirty and hustle (versus the stereotype that they can just build a powerpoint on execution but can&#x27;t actually deliver). It&#x27;s just a matter of finding the right people.
pptr1超过 10 年前
On a contrarian point of view it is probably a good time to be on wall street and it is probably a bad time to be in tech.
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jordanpg超过 10 年前
To me, &quot;business&quot; in any generic sense just seems incredibly boring. It always has, it always will. I could care less about what the trends are or where I perceive the money is.<p>In contrast, &quot;technical challenges&quot;, have and will always be of interest to me, even if they are pointless, like the Euler Project or going to ground on some obscure syntax question.<p>It seems likely that sharp graduates coming into tech because they perceive they can make a lot of money there or because they perceive it is a good launching pad into an executive lifestyle is not going to be a net benefit to the technical community in the long run. This group of people, as a whole, will never share in the ESR-style hacker ethos.
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Eric_WVGG超过 10 年前
Anecdotally, I work in tech in New York City, and holy shit do I see a lot of this.
suprgeek超过 10 年前
There are two serious problems with this:<p>- Many &quot;Managerial&quot; people flocking to Tech only and solely because they see it as a shortcut to making a quick buck. When a field becomes inundated with people who are not core to the field but still wield power - guess what is going to happen<p>- Many MBAs are convinced that there is some mystical science of &quot;Business Administration&quot; that applies equally well in any company irrespective of size, type of business, types of customers etc. This has led to some spectacularly BAD decisions and programs that could be ruinous in the medium to long term but look good on the shorter timescales.<p>A crash in the &quot;Tech Sector&quot; has now become a real possibility in the next 1-2 years
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greenpinguin超过 10 年前
not sure if this is the correct headline. finance overall is less popular but in 2008&#x2F;9 most investment banks where either bought by &quot;normal&quot; banks or where simply allowed to convert their bank type from investment to &quot;normal&quot;:<p>Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley &quot;abandon their status as investment banks&quot; by converting themselves into &quot;traditional bank holding companies&quot;, thereby making themselves eligible to receive billions of dollars each in emergency taxpayer-funded assistance.<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_investment_banking_in_the_United_States" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;History_of_investment_banking_i...</a>
mathattack超过 10 年前
The subject (due to length constraints) unfortunately left out technology too.<p>For all the knock that MBAs get, it&#x27;s worth noting that to make money and survive, businesses must do two things:<p>1 - Create Value<p>2 - Capture Value<p>Many of the people here excel at #1, but there are plenty of CS majors who don&#x27;t create any value. Good MBAs help in capturing value. This can come from turning the business into a monopoly (a goal of Peter Thiel) or from figuring out how to incentivize a sales force. These are things generally not well understood by great programmers.<p>That said, MBAs also tend to be a tailing indicator. Which tells me that it&#x27;s probably time to be a banker, and look for cash over equity for the next few years. :-)
baq超过 10 年前
the headline is another way of saying &#x27;tech is officially in bubble mode&#x27;
applecore超过 10 年前
For those in the know, the prospects for an investment banking career just haven&#x27;t been the same since 2008—2009, so it&#x27;s not surprising to see graduates go elsewhere.
bluedevil2k超过 10 年前
MBAs follow the money, and right now that&#x27;s in tech and consulting and not as much in finance.
bsg75超过 10 年前
The article seems to imply MBAs are consulting right out of business school, in other words without experience? The education is valuable, but unless consulting is very different in the &quot;business&quot; side of things, this sounds dangerous.
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alimoeeny超过 10 年前
I think it is not just MBAs.
vparikh超过 10 年前
That is when you know tech is in a bubble
vparikh超过 10 年前
Thats when you know you have a bubble.