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Show HN: Dating Ring (YC W14) – We do the work, you do the dating

125 点作者 laurenkay超过 10 年前

29 条评论

goodside超过 10 年前
Please tell your employees to stop creating fake profiles on OkCupid and spamming our users. Behaving like that doesn't inspire much confidence in your service.
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potatolicious超过 10 年前
I see some pessimism in these comments, but IMO one needs to consider the problem from both genders (assuming we&#x27;re talking about straight dating exclusively for a sec).<p>The problem with OkCupid is that the experience is <i>horrendous</i> for women. While the men would love to have choice, and &quot;unlimited&quot; matches, in reality this only means one thing:<p>Spam. Spam spam spam spam spam spam. More spam.<p>The success of Tinder should be in large part attributed to the fact that the basic interaction model removes spam. Men will swipe right on the majority of &quot;matches&quot;, making women the actual gatekeepers of conversation - and this model works, though you obviously lose a lot of nuance and depth along the way.
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smacktoward超过 10 年前
UX suggestion from someone who decided to give you a try and fill out your application form:<p>If you&#x27;re only open for business currently in NYC and SF, maybe <i>mention that before you have me fill out the long form</i> rather than waiting until after I&#x27;ve submitted it, OK? Because otherwise the user who doesn&#x27;t live in one of those places feels like you just wasted a bunch of their time.
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DontBeADick超过 10 年前
What makes your matchmakers any better than a random stranger? Or a computer algorithm? Or a pile of bricks? I searched through your whole website trying to figure out why your matchmakers are worth my time and money but it doesn&#x27;t seem like you&#x27;ve made any attempt to address those concerns, which is extremely odd since their matchmaking skills are the core of your business.<p>Am I missing something? Based on the (lack of) info on your website, your matchmakers really could be random people you pulled off the street.
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shkkmo超过 10 年前
I really like this idea ... but:<p>Give use access to your facebook and $20 a month. In return, you get ONE match a month. If they don&#x27;t want to meet you, that&#x27;s too bad. You paid $20 to be rejected.<p>The two things you would need to do to sell me are:<p>1) Allow access without facebook. I&#x27;d be fine scanning a driver&#x27;s license for you that matches the name on the credit card I pay with.<p>2) If you don&#x27;t provide a good match (i.e.) one that wants to meet me, you should provide another match.
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enraged_camel超过 10 年前
&quot;Sign up with Facebook&quot;<p>No thanks. I&#x27;ll stick with OKCupid.<p>edit: since this is a YC company, I&#x27;ll add some content to my criticism (even though most of this should be obvious).<p>1. This is a new service, and people don&#x27;t know you yet. Asking them to sign up with their Facebook account is asking for too much, because there is no trust element established. Consider having a stand-alone sign-up mechanism that enables some bare-bone features with the option to hook up to Facebook for additional benefits (i.e. 5 matches per week vs. 2 matches, promise for more accurate matching, etc.). Users need to see <i>some</i> value out of the service before they volunteer their Facebook info.<p>2. Lots of people don&#x27;t use Facebook, and even more of them are leaving Facebook. There are also lots of people who are cynical towards it and use it as little as possible. You are certainly alienating them by requiring a Facebook account.
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Meekro超过 10 年前
I&#x27;m surprised to see all the negativity towards this. If I was single, I&#x27;d be signing up right now.<p>The biggest objection seems to be that OkCupid is like a buffet, and now they&#x27;re being asked to eat at a restaurant where the chef interviews you and brings you what he thinks you&#x27;ll like. If the buffet was working great for them, I can see why they&#x27;d object to the change.<p>OkCupid wasn&#x27;t so great back when I used it though. I&#x27;d send out many messages (personal, customized ones -- not spam) and get next-to-no replies. It felt like I was spinning my wheels and going nowhere. Were my opening messages poorly written? Did my profile need work? Maybe. But that&#x27;s why I think I&#x27;d benefit from having a professional matchmaker, who&#x27;s a better writer than I am and can present me in the best possible light.
jonathanjaeger超过 10 年前
Not to hate on a startup, but I&#x27;ve dated on OkCupid before, and while it&#x27;s not foolproof, you can meet someone who seems perfect online and then you don&#x27;t hit it off in person. Having limited matches is just a dealbreaker. Sure there&#x27;s the idea of too many possibilities leading to the &#x27;paradox of choice&#x27; or &#x27;fear of missing out&#x27;, but let&#x27;s be honest, you really need to have a lot of options to meet someone who&#x27;s right for you (unless you&#x27;re really lucky). &quot;Your matchmaker will send you a new match each week&quot; -- a match, singular, is just not going to work for the majority of the population.
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hangonhn超过 10 年前
I glanced through it but it&#x27;s unclear to me why your service is better than any other. Basically you say you make the match but that requires that I give up my agency over something that is at least somewhat important to me. I might be willing to go along with it but maybe a little clearer or obvious explanation of how your magic works would make it an easier sell? I might be an outlier though.<p>Ask, the Facebook thing is uncomfortable.
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swolebird超过 10 年前
1) How about this:<p>Instead of you both pay $20 and either one can reject the date and you&#x27;re both out $20- whoever rejects the date is out the $20, and the person who didn&#x27;t reject the date gets a refund. That would REALLY put the onus on the matchmakers to do a good job making matches.<p>People who are open to going on the date don&#x27;t lose anything if there&#x27;s no date, or end up going on a date. And if people continue getting bad matches that they reject, they won&#x27;t pay the $20 for very long before leaving.<p>Otherwise, why would people stay on the site if they keep getting hit for $20 AND don&#x27;t go on any dates?<p>2) <a href="https://www.datingring.com/premium[1]" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.datingring.com&#x2F;premium[1]</a><p><a href="https://datingring.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/203302640-What-happens-if-none-of-my-matches-want-to-meet-[2]" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;datingring.zendesk.com&#x2F;hc&#x2F;en-us&#x2F;articles&#x2F;203302640-W...</a><p>&gt;You can also sign up for Premium Membership to get further date coaching and feedback, as well as two guaranteed dates per month.<p>How do you guarantee a date (or two)?
jack-r-abbit超过 10 年前
That thing they did where they shipped hot single ladies from NYC to meet rich single techies in SF[1] left a bad taste in my mouth. I know lots of people thought it was a great idea and lots of other people didn&#x27;t. So, we&#x27;ll just have to agree to disagree about it.<p>And then there is this allegation of spamming OkCupid users[2] (which didn&#x27;t really get denied). This also leave another bad taste in my mouth.<p>Add to that the general tone of the founder&#x27;s comments in this thread.<p>Each of those things are some what subjective. But, I would have a hard time recommending this site to any of my single friends. In fact, if any of them told me they were looking in to Dating Ring, I would actively try to convince them not to.<p>[1] <a href="http://techcrunch.com/2014/03/04/the-dating-ring-is-raising-money-to-fly-women-from-nyc-to-sf-because-dating/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;techcrunch.com&#x2F;2014&#x2F;03&#x2F;04&#x2F;the-dating-ring-is-raising-...</a> [2] <a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8455138" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=8455138</a>
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devindotcom超过 10 年前
Seems a little weird to me, honestly. I mean, we started curating our own dating on the web to get away from this type of haphazard matchmaking, didn&#x27;t we? This seems a bit like reinventing the horse and carriage. And anyway, since when was flirting with people online work?!<p>It&#x27;s also a little insulting to not even be the one selecting your date. I know we get set up by our friends now and then, but they are our <i>friends</i>, not some random service on the Internet. This service has not built trust, and its results seem to me fundamentally dubious.
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kcarlton超过 10 年前
Lots of feedback here seems to be very critical and for the purpose of pointing out everything you&#x27;ve done wrong. That&#x27;s totally fine, and exactly why posting to HN can result in useful feedback. I just wanted to say that I think you have a great idea here, and if in the future, I find myself single again, I&#x27;ll take another look at your service.
Bootvis超过 10 年前
I tried signing up but it was really unfriendly to us non-American folks:<p>- Height in feet and inches<p>- Pretty limited locations<p>- I&#x27;m neither Democrat nor Republican<p>- It&#x27;s called American Football and Football, not what you have (OK, I let that one slide)<p>- ...<p>I get that the non-English speaking world is harder to reach but on the other hand: English is not a problem for the higher educated in most of Europe and I see no real reason to limit this service to just the US. A profile is a profile.
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listic超过 10 年前
1. How will the matchmaking site with real live matchmakers scale?<p>2. Why do you think the matchmaker will know who I&#x27;m seeking for, better than myself?
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DanBC超过 10 年前
Holy crap YC needs a PR cheat sheet.<p>Some tiny web page with a bullet point list of things to do or not do.
gnopgnip超过 10 年前
With fewer dates you are more invested in the individual relationships. This is the opposite of something like OK Cupid where you may message 100 people and only get a few replies.
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Beasting247超过 10 年前
I&#x27;m going to provide my ideas&#x2F;feedback.<p>Unlike a lot of the other people on here, I like the Facebook integration, provided of course nobody else on my Facebook can see that I&#x27;ve added this app. It saves the hassle of having to upload pictures and lowers the proportion of fake accounts.<p>As a male (23 years old), I&#x27;ve completely written off online dating. Sites like OkCupid make total sense if you&#x27;re a female because you don&#x27;t actually have to do any work, but they absolutely suck for men. Women are inundated with messages and rarely respond, and thus as a male you have to spend hours and hours sifting through profiles and sending tons of messages. On top of that, very few of the women on dating sites are even attractive.<p>That&#x27;s why I prefer Tinder, although it&#x27;d be nice to have a middle ground between the shallowness of Tinder and a dating site.<p>It&#x27;s great that this site saves time on the user&#x27;s part (mainly the male). The problem is that it doesn&#x27;t seem like I can see what my potential match looks like. Being a male, looks are pretty important. That&#x27;s why I stopped going on Groupers - my last one hooked us up with 3 unattractive women. It sounds shallow and fucked up, but that&#x27;s just the reality of it.<p>Until a service comes along that hooks me up with women that I know will be physically attractive enough from the get-go, I&#x27;m not going to pay money for it. And since most hot women are already inundated with guys trying to ask them out in real life, I&#x27;m not sure if a site like that could ever exist.
genericuser超过 10 年前
In the account creation settings you don&#x27;t necessarily cover all options with your drop downs.<p>For instance the &quot;It is very important that my partner: &quot; you have 4 options: No Preference, Wants kids now, Wants kids in the future, and Doesn&#x27;t ever want kids<p>As someone who absolutely does not does not want kids &#x27;now&#x27; but is indifferent to them in the future I really wish there was a an option called. &#x27;Doesn&#x27;t want kids now&#x27;
throwaway_abc超过 10 年前
Whatever happened to the group dating model that you guys were going with previously? A blog post about it would be really interesting in my opinion.
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reillyse超过 10 年前
Judging from your landing page 4 out of 8 users of your service are gingers... is this a service for people blessed with red hair?
jumpz超过 10 年前
Worst service ever. I paid for $40 for 3 dates back in May, didn&#x27;t hear from them until after 2 months in and was matched with 1 date. I still haven&#x27;t gotten any additional &quot;dates&quot;.<p>I don&#x27;t recommend this site to anyone, you would just be wasting your time. There are other sites that are a lot better when it comes to online dating.
jglauche超过 10 年前
Why do all the new dating things (also as an example Tinder) require Facebook these days? I know quite a number of people staying away from that social network (including myself). Aren&#x27;t you making it yourself too easy to rely on one thing to authenticate&#x2F;verify people?
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mc32超过 10 年前
This reminds me of Slavoj Zizak&#x27;s quips: &quot;You want coffee without the caffeine, you want beer without the alcohol and you want to fall in love without the fall.&quot; or words to that effect. [1] So, as he says, we want the Other deprived of its Otherness.<p>[1]<a href="http://www.lacan.com/zizekdecaf.htm" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.lacan.com&#x2F;zizekdecaf.htm</a>
dl8超过 10 年前
Signed up and got put on waiting list. Used OkC and Tinder before, let&#x27;s see how different this is. Also will be interesting to see if this follows a lot of the online dating trends that was outlined in Christian Rudder&#x27;s Dataclysm book.
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serradate超过 10 年前
Since I rarely see any dating-related topics appear on HN I thought it would be reasonable to share a quick link to where the dating site I&#x27;m working on will eventually live.<p>Right now there&#x27;s just a simple Wufoo form so I can gather input from users I can use to build the first version of my site...I have my own personal experiences with a lot of the free&#x2F;paid services out there and ran into issues with fake profiles or being asked for credit card information so I&#x27;m working on an initial design right now, that should be nice and simple, won&#x27;t require a credit card at all, and will have a healthy dash of security thrown in...but I&#x27;d love your input as well so if you have a few quick moments to share it that would be great :-): <a href="http://serradate.com/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;serradate.com&#x2F;</a>
dusklight超过 10 年前
I will never try this service because it requires a facebook login.
thebiglebrewski超过 10 年前
I thought this service already existed? Isn&#x27;t Show HN kinda meant to show new products?
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searine超过 10 年前
So here is a perspective from one of your users.<p>I signed up for Dating Ring in NYC in like March, and have generally had a good experience. Probably been to a dozen dates&#x2F;events. Of that I&#x27;ve only been on two &quot;bad&quot; dates. I define that as dates where I felt we just didn&#x27;t have anything in common and&#x2F;or they were completely not my type. Most were mediocre, but we had fun, mostly because I know how to be entertaining over drinks. A couple I was interested in but never really had a good relationship develop from it. In general, I had fun so it was money well spent.<p>I&#x27;m new to the city and the site was a great way to meet totally new people frequently without having to jump through all the hoops of stuff like OkCupid.<p>I have to say I am curious about this &quot;pivot&quot; in how you are approaching matchmaking. It is nice to have an &quot;out&quot; and not waste my time if it is clear that I won&#x27;t find the person attractive mentally or physically.<p>Honestly I think I&#x27;ve stuck with the site out of curiosity, and not really the expectation of having a good date. Over the past year I&#x27;ve had much better success finding relationships using OkCupid in NYC than your service. Mostly because I can better select dates that are attractive and interesting. ¯\_(ツ)_&#x2F;¯