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Isaac Asimov Mulls “How Do People Get New Ideas?” (1959)

269 点作者 Dnguyen超过 10 年前

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sayemm超过 10 年前
This reminds me of Walter Isaacson&#x27;s biography on Steve Jobs and how it detailed his many eccentric habits and behaviors early on before starting Apple... how he never took showers while working at Atari, his odd dietary habits, his daily wardrobe, etc. But that&#x27;s why he was able to &quot;think different&quot;...<p>&quot;A person willing to fly in the face of reason, authority, and common sense must be a person of considerable self-assurance. Since he occurs only rarely, he must seem eccentric (in at least that respect) to the rest of us. A person eccentric in one respect is often eccentric in others. Consequently, the person who is most likely to get new ideas is a person of good background in the field of interest and one who is unconventional in his habits. (To be a crackpot is not, however, enough in itself.)&quot;<p>Also very good is Richard Hamming&#x27;s &quot;You and Your Research&quot; talk - <a href="http://www.paulgraham.com/hamming.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.paulgraham.com&#x2F;hamming.html</a>
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jjoe超过 10 年前
Does this mean Reddit is a more auspicious environment for new ideas to flourish? HN is way too confined of a place for &quot;foolishness&quot;, that Asimov sees as conductive, to be permitted without things going haywire.
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dkarapetyan超过 10 年前
&gt; To feel guilty because one has not earned one’s salary because one has not had a great idea is the surest way, it seems to me, of making it certain that no great idea will come in the next time either.<p>Feynman has a similar story about playing with ideas and just enjoying the process instead of worrying about the pressures associated with being great: <a href="https://www.physics.ohio-state.edu/~kilcup/262/feynman.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.physics.ohio-state.edu&#x2F;~kilcup&#x2F;262&#x2F;feynman.html</a>.
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ronilan超过 10 年前
Very disappointing. The author seems ignorant of the entire science of Psychohistory. Since it is now possible to predict human development hundreds of years into the future no idea is really new anymore.
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noproblemo超过 10 年前
I am reading a short story collection of Asimov compiled in a book called Gold.<p>The second half of the book contains extensive commentary by Asimov on how to write science fiction. He delves into a lot of topics like writing style, grammer, ideas and many other things.<p>There is a whole chapter on a how to generate a story from an idea and how to get the idea to start with. In it, he stresses on thinking. As in real, solid literal thinking, what we would normally call brainstorming. As a science fiction author, he says that the brainstorming is not something that he used to do in short bursts like someone would normally do. He writes that a science fiction author has to think to a point where her&#x2F;his head starts aching, literally.
scobar超过 10 年前
&quot;If a single individual present is unsympathetic to the foolishness that would be bound to go on at such a session, the others would freeze. The unsympathetic individual may be a gold mine of information, but the harm he does will more than compensate for that. It seems necessary to me, then, that all people at a session be willing to sound foolish and listen to others sound foolish.&quot;<p>This is something I&#x27;ve always felt, but remained unable to express as well as Asimov did here. I&#x27;m so grateful for those with a gold mine of information who resist temptation toward arrogance and scornful correction, and instead show patience and joy in teaching the foolish.
legohead超过 10 年前
Reading biographies about Einstein, I came to the conclusion that the man wasn&#x27;t really a genius in the intellectual sense, but a genius when it came to ideas, and had the passion to pursue them.
genericone超过 10 年前
Interesting idea here:<p>Draw from a pool of people who wish to be involved in cerebratory pursuits, and who are willing to accept and give ideas freely to others. Out of this pool, some combination of 4 or 5 individuals within the same geographical region can be drawn randomly from this group for cerebration sessions following a few Asimov Cerebration Guidelines (ACGs):<p>-&quot;ease, relaxation, and a general sense of permissiveness.&quot;<p>-&quot;short reports to write, or summaries of their conclusions, or brief answers to suggested problems, [and be paid for that]&quot;<p>-&quot;educate the participants in facts and fact-combinations, in theories and vagrant thoughts.&quot;<p>-&quot;meeting in someone’s home or over a dinner table at some restaurant&quot;<p>-&quot;a session-arbiter will have to sit there, stirring up the animals, asking the shrewd question, making the necessary comment, bringing them gently back to the point.&quot;<p>After the session, the session can be given an evaluation by each of the participants:<p>A. did the session feel neutralized by any of the participants reputations?<p>B. was any insight gained?<p>C. was the session jovial?<p>I think I, as well as some others, would be interested in attending something like this if it could be organized well.
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anmonteiro90超过 10 年前
A bit offtopic, but a necessary interpretation from my perspective is how the so-called &quot;corporate culture&quot; with all its dresscodes and formal manners doesn&#x27;t promote the ascent of new ideas - Asimov even goes on to suggest they could actually come from an informal dinner, etc.<p>I&#x27;ll be sure to save this one to read periodically. Thanks for the submission.
xsmasher超过 10 年前
&quot;Feynman&#x27;s Rainbow&quot; has a dialog on how to get new ideas, with some advice from Feynman. Chapter five I think.
cantlin超过 10 年前
<p><pre><code> &quot;It seems to me then that the purpose of cerebration sessions is not to think up new ideas but to educate the participants in facts and fact-combinations, in theories and vagrant thoughts.&quot; </code></pre> For me the best meetings, conferences and conversations are the ones that come closest to this description.
kumarharsh超过 10 年前
Just last month, I finished reading &quot;Magic&quot;, Asimov&#x27;s collection of small witty stories, which were NOT SF, but Fantasy.<p>Although the stories themselves were quite mundane, what struck me as I somehow forced my way forward in the stories, was Asimov&#x27;s clairvoyant tone while writing. Most of the things he wrote, even in apparent jest, hold true today.<p>And never have I been so enthralled by a bunch of essays as Asimov has done it... Reading his second momoir and many more essays underline his wisdom more and more.
KhalilK超过 10 年前
This reminded me of Bret Victor&#x27;s great talk Inventing on Principle[0].<p>0.<a href="https://vimeo.com/36579366" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;vimeo.com&#x2F;36579366</a>
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pitchups超过 10 年前
For anyone interested in this subject, highly recommend reading Steven Johnson&#x27;s book &quot;Where Good Ideas Come From&quot;.<p>To get a summary of the book you can also view his TED talk:<p><a href="http://www.ted.com/talks/steven_johnson_where_good_ideas_come_from?language=en" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ted.com&#x2F;talks&#x2F;steven_johnson_where_good_ideas_com...</a>
pm超过 10 年前
I don&#x27;t come to HN looking to generate new ideas. I come to be exposed to things I might potentially be interested in, and to learn from those who might know more than me. If I generate any new ideas at all, it&#x27;s outside of the time I&#x27;m engaged here (when things have time to percolate and my focus isn&#x27;t so narrow).
segmondy超过 10 年前
Permutation.<p>You take an old idea, and you pull out all the variables and you start permuting upon them.
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