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Mark Zuckerberg Answers Q&A in Mandarin at Chinese University

248 点作者 patangay超过 10 年前

31 条评论

ezequiel-garzon超过 10 年前
Even if Zuckerberg's main motivation was to learn his wife's language, I believe this will effectively raise the bar for CEOs in the years ahead. I wouldn't be surprised if this seemingly unnecessary skill could signify new business opportunities for large corporations.
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westiseast超过 10 年前
Gonna be a bit of a douche, but...<p>Why do we go googoogaga over an English speaker learning a foreign language to a competent level, when this is something millions of people do regularly? Mark isn&#x27;t the first person to learn a language in the middle of a busy job and life schedule.<p>Doucheness not quite over - it&#x27;s a big achievement, yeah, but Chinese isn&#x27;t actually that hard, it&#x27;s a bit of a myth perpetuated because (a) there&#x27;s not enough people learning it (b) a lot of teachers are quite shit in my experience (c) hand writing is difficult. in reality spoken Chinese is very simple, grammar is easy, common vocabulary is easily learnt and repeated frequently....
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bobjordan超过 10 年前
I&#x27;ve lived in China 5 years now and our skill levels are comparable so I&#x27;m pretty impressed. It&#x27;s really just basic conversation but the Chinese people will love him for getting this far with it. This along with move to join Tsinghua board will create massive goodwill for FB.
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talltofu超过 10 年前
Highly impressed. I used to brush him off as just another wunderkind who got lucky. In retrospect, his business acumen, especially when acquiring Instagram for a then pricely sum of a billion dollars has made me realize that he truly is special.
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thoughtpalette超过 10 年前
Regardless of his technical achievements, learning a second language ( and such disconnected one ) is super impressive. Great job.
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mikepalmer超过 10 年前
The guy just seriously raised the bar for qualification as a &quot;scrappy founder&quot;! This will be widely replayed in China, he will be 2x the rock star that he already is. Maybe he can Jack Ma can do English&#x2F;Chinese practice together online?
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pyrmont超过 10 年前
Appraisal of the quality of Zuckerberg&#x27;s Mandarin: <a href="http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2014/10/22/mark_zuckerberg_speaks_mandarin_like_a_seven_year_old" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;blog.foreignpolicy.com&#x2F;posts&#x2F;2014&#x2F;10&#x2F;22&#x2F;mark_zuckerbe...</a>
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csa超过 10 年前
A review of his Mandarin based on a close listen of the first 5 minutes of the video and listening to the rest in the background while I type this (let me know if it changes later):<p>tl;dr - Definitely ILR 1+, probably an ILR 2. Pronunciation needs a ton of work, but that&#x27;s not the only aspect that is measured when analyzing speech. The foreign policy article (linked in another comment) is overly critical, imho.<p>Detailed:<p>ILR LEVEL<p>He&#x27;s definitely at least an ILR 1+. He shows signs of ILR 2 characteristics (and is probably an ILR 2), but it&#x27;s hard to tell if he can sustain them in a wide range of contexts. While his pronunciation needs A LOT of work, the language itself is comprehensible to a sympathetic native listener. I strongly disagree with the Foreign Policy article that says it was &quot;terrible&quot;. I would say that it&#x27;s actually kind of amazing given that he&#x27;s the CEO of a huge company. I would roughly say that he is on par with a good &#x2F; above average 3rd year student at a school with a really good Chinese program. The original article says 2nd year, but this would be a superstar 2nd year student who was either a heritage speaker or had spent a lot of time in China (e.g., as a homestay or study abroad).<p>DISCOURSE STRUCTURE AND STYLE<p>He is able to sustain the dialogue for a long time. He is able to circumlocute decently (this really opens up the ability to communicate), but I would really like to see his range of circumlocution. He is able to string together his sentences in moderately cohesive paragraphs. He does not demonstrate the ability to combine paragraphs cohesively at a high level (signs of an ILR 3), but I don&#x27;t think the tasks really required it.<p>His style of answering questions was very American -- very direct. I don&#x27;t think that a Chinese speaker who has lived exclusively in China (i.e., not educated or trained in the &quot;West&quot;) would answer the same questions similarly. In this case, I actually think that it&#x27;s best for him to answer in an American way even if he could answer in a Chinese style, but that&#x27;s a different and longer discussion.<p>Early on when he tells the story of his wife and her grandmother, he really comes across as quite charming.<p>GRAMMAR<p>He does decently enough. There are errors, but it&#x27;s not hard to understand what he is saying -- especially for a sympathetic native listener. The sample didn&#x27;t really demonstrate a wide range of grammar, but the tasks didn&#x27;t necessarily require a wide range. He is able to say complex sentences (i.e., two independent clauses), and he is able to speak in different timeframes (normally tenses, but Chinese tenses are not like English). This all points to a solid ILR 2, but grammar is definitely not the toughest part of Mandarin.<p>VOCABULARY<p>He has a decent vocabulary -- it&#x27;s solid for the task. I wonder what his vocabulary is like outside of the topics of personal bio information, Facebook, and Facebook business. If he wants to get to ILR 2+ or ILR 3, he will need to work on the accuracy and diversity of his vocabulary.<p>PRONUNCIATION<p>This is easily his weakest point. He has a HEAVY American accent. He mispronounces a lot of words. His tones are WAY off. He seems completely unable to say English loan words in Chinese (e.g., Facebook, Google, etc.). It&#x27;s actually kind of hard to listen to. That being said, I would say that it is all comprehensible to a sympathetic native listener.<p>SUMMARY<p>Overall, really good for someone who is not studying full time and has a very involved full time job. I wonder how much of it was practiced or rehearsed -- a lot of the questions are ones that he definitely _should_ practice (e.g., the story about why he started studying Chinese), since they are standard questions that would be asked to him and&#x2F;or the Facebook CEO. Regardless, speaking in a foreign language to a large group of people is not easy, and he came across really well.<p>RECOMMENDATIONS<p>He can work on his pronunciation in several ways:<p>- Listen more. Even if it&#x27;s on in the background, it will help. Right now, I don&#x27;t think he has a good intuitive sense when he is mispronouncing a word.<p>- When working with a teacher, do lower level language tasks, and act like a native speaker whose voice&#x2F;accent he likes. Research suggests that this lowers affective filters for pronunciation.<p>- Work with suprasegmentals with a pronunciation program that visualize what he&#x27;s saying. It can be enlightening.<p>- Practice over pronouncing words. If he does what he perceives as a &quot;caricature&quot; of pronouncing the word, he will probably be closer to accurate.<p>Other than that, listen more, read more, and I think he will become a rock-solid ILR 2 with room for growth if he wants it.<p>That&#x27;s my quick-and-dirty. I am very interested in the informed opinions of others.
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rmason超过 10 年前
Guess the self study has gone well. It appears that he struggles at times but never reverts to English. Betting this video will be widely shared in China.
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EGreg超过 10 年前
Chinese is considered a hard language to learn for Westerners. As a fellow founder I find this really impressive.
0x0超过 10 年前
Is Facebook blocked in China these days? It used to be. Must be weird to be there representing a blocked company.
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mastermojo超过 10 年前
his tones are off, but he has a pretty impressive vocabulary
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2D超过 10 年前
I think he is very sincere in his motivation to learn Chinese and its brave to get up there because to us he sounds pretty foreign. People laughed because it&#x27;s endearing to listen to, not really funny. To me languages are a lot like programming in that if you can get enough to hack around the problem you are half way there. Honestly its not about the $, because if you speak Chinese it doesn&#x27;t make you Chinese in a Chinese&#x27;s eyes, just curious and disciplined.<p>Just want to add that when I started learning Chinese people made it out like some impossible dream, and when I started to learn to code it was the same (maybe because I have long blonde hair and look like I&#x27;m from Florida or something). Truth is its not as hard as you think to become ok, but very hard to master. So if you are reading this and you ever thought seriously about studying Chinese but &quot;don&#x27;t have the time&quot;... well, Mark makes time, and if you&#x27;re reading HN regularly then you are definitely smart enough :)
anusinha超过 10 年前
I think it is also worth nothing that Zuckerberg is (perhaps was?) quite talented at Latin and nearly went on to study Classics at Harvard.
clueless123超过 10 年前
Ohh sh!#$, now <i>my</i> mother-in-law is going to expect <i>me</i> to do the same!! :)
elwell超过 10 年前
You can see a surprisingly small bone conduction transducer behind his right ear at 5:13. I assume he&#x27;s just repeating what he&#x27;s being told.<p>No, I&#x27;m kidding, but this is impressive.
cvg超过 10 年前
If you talk to a man in a language he understands, that goes to his head. If you talk to him in his language, that goes to his heart. - Nelson Mandela
drakeballew超过 10 年前
This is a working translation of Zuck&#x27;s Q&amp;A at Tsinghua. Hope it helps those of you who are curious about what was said!<p><a href="https://medium.com/unbabel-news/b4cb8f223df2" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;medium.com&#x2F;unbabel-news&#x2F;b4cb8f223df2</a>
Pierrrrrrre超过 10 年前
I was expecting something very impressive when I started the video, annnnnnd... nope. The interviewer speaks to him like he&#x27;s a little boy (I know, this is the same pace my Chinese teacher was using in my classroom for the first 2-3 months).<p>And I agree with a lot of comments here: a foreigner speaking fluent English seems normal, yet an American babbling in Chinese seems outstanding...
cauliturtle超过 10 年前
Jack Ma speaks fluent English, Mark speaks 國語. I think it is all about business &amp; $.
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LeoPanthera超过 10 年前
Is there a version with English subtitles?
mikek超过 10 年前
Would someone please translate the jokes?
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foobarqux超过 10 年前
What is the best way to learn Mandarin?
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leoncrutchley超过 10 年前
Does anyone know how he did it?
verroq超过 10 年前
I find it highly ironic that he&#x27;s giving a talk there, when China&#x27;s blocking his site.
thomasfl超过 10 年前
Kudos.
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chj超过 10 年前
impressive.
higherpurpose超过 10 年前
A German professor once told me German is actually harder to learn than Chinese.
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SpaceManNabs超过 10 年前
I don&#x27;t know why people keep saying that this is very impressive unless he was learning Chinese as he was also running Facebook. His tones and grammar still need a good amount of work. I feel like I am not getting the impact since I go to a university were 15% (very rough estimate) of the student body take four years of Chinese in about 2 years (all languages are compressed to 2 years at Princeton).<p>edit: After reading more comments, I understand that it is rare, but I can&#x27;t say it is a much more significant achievement than if he learned another language such as German or Arabic.
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sytelus超过 10 年前
What surprises the most that he is able to distinguish sounds that are effectively all same for most non-Chinese people. Research says our ability to distinguish sounds in other languages ceases after first 8 months and that&#x27;s why it&#x27;s harder to understand someone talking in foreign language.<p>Did Zuck had any exposure to Chinese as a kid? Any info on how he learned Chinese? My guess is that he probably decided to talk with wife and relatives only Chinese for a long period of time. According to many this is the best way to learn new language (as opposed to passively watching videos and audio tapes). Another guess is that he may have some really top Chinese teacher giving few hours of tuition per week.
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jamesdutc超过 10 年前
I wish the exoticising of the East would just go away. This mystique associated upon the Chinese language is horribly old-fashioned. It comes up far too often (<a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7624342" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=7624342</a>)<p>Of course, we should always encourage ourselves and others to learn foreign languages, even if only to dabble.<p>Unfortunately, this is just gimmick, and bad gimmick at that. Compare to a completely normalised (and far more impressive!!) display of Chinese-language skill. It&#x27;s implied that they&#x27;re mostly housewives: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5na5nHZsww#t=5m30s" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=U5na5nHZsww#t=5m30s</a>
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