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Assange: Google Is Not What It Seems

362 点作者 rcamera超过 10 年前

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hardwaresofton超过 10 年前
Despite all the people that think he sounds like a lunatic, is any of what he is saying a lie? Lots of people who sound like lunatics but aren&#x27;t telling lies are worth listening to, I think.<p>So, he&#x27;s putting a lot of &quot;these guys are all evil&quot; spin on it, but then again, all the connections he is making seem to be true. Whether it means Google is in bed with the US government or not is up to the reader (with nudging from him, of course), but I don&#x27;t anyone confronted with this many factual connections between a CEO of a mega corporation and government actors could simply write this off as &quot;lunacy&quot;.<p>I think most people in the tech industry (and sadly not many people outside it) have already realized the Google is very very big-brothery.
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TheMagicHorsey超过 10 年前
I did not realize what a nut Assange has become. The more there is the danger that he might be forgotten, the more ridiculous his theories of the world.<p>However, you have to think about his target audience. The audience doesn&#x27;t consist of people who are familiar with things like DARPA grants, and think tanks. For people in the know, this writing will read like lunacy, because they will understand that Assange sees demons behind every innocuous shadow. Some random college kid from middle America, on the other hand, won&#x27;t know that his writing is lunacy.<p>For example, think about his casual implication that DARPA funding of Page and Brin&#x27;s Stanford research might be a signal of their nefarious links to some cabal of elites in the defense industry. Anyone who has worked in a top-ten engineering program knows that nothing could be further from the truth. Those grants go out, in a bureaucratic fashion, to tons of people, without any such elites getting involved at all. In fact the worst thing you can say about those DARPA grants is that they are haphazardly doled out for some real stupid projects.<p>But think about how that accusation looks to some kid. It seems like there is this grand conspiracy because Larry Page and Sergey Brin took DARPA money ... of course they must be deep cover CIA implants right?<p>Its complete stupidity from start to finish, but its the type of stupidity that can only be debunked by actually being there and seeing that Assange speaks nonsense. This guy is an entertainer and self-promoter of extraordinary cunning. Think of the audacity it takes to write this gibberish with such confidence.
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chiaro超过 10 年前
He writes well, and it&#x27;s an interesting look at how intertwined the government has become (was it ever not?) enmeshed with corporate empires. Unfortunately in the wider population, Google&#x27;s image is nigh unassailable. The average user wouldn&#x27;t know about their being saddled with military contracts through their Boston Dynamics acquisition, for example. For this, and other reasons, 99 times out of 100, &quot;free market&quot; consumer action such as boycotts have negligible impact. That&#x27;s alright though, when you can trust the state to properly monitor and regulate ethical conduct, though it doesn&#x27;t look like we&#x27;ll be quite so lucky here.<p>Regulatory capture is one of the biggest problems in the government today, but the solution isn&#x27;t decreasing the power of the government over companies, it&#x27;s decreasing the power of companies over the government.
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cromwellian超过 10 年前
A lot of innuendo and guilt by association, political conspiracy ala Kevin Bacon. I suppose isolation tends to produce conspiracy theories. I&#x27;ll get down voted for this of course.<p>When Assange is raising concerns about a potential Google monopoly over the whole of the internet, he is of course, raising a legitimate concern. But the attempts by Assange, and people like Yasha Levine, to tie Google into the military industrial complex are weak sauce. The point about DARPA funding is particularly bullshit. Is any student who ever worked using research funds or equipment from DARPA at a university, and later goes on to found another company, beholden to the agenda of that organization? I worked on projects in college where I scarcely knew where the funds were coming from or who I should be paying my allegiance to.
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bane超过 10 年前
So Google does business with the U.S. government? No duh. It&#x27;s not exactly a state secret, it&#x27;s not like Google doesn&#x27;t post job openings at the Washington D.C. and Reston, VA locations for people who want to sell and support the government.<p>Here&#x27;s the contract awards<p><a href="http://www.usaspending.gov/search?form_fields=%7B%22search_term%22%3A%22GOOGLE+INC.%22%7D" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.usaspending.gov&#x2F;search?form_fields=%7B%22search_t...</a><p><a href="https://www.fpds.gov/ezsearch/search.do?indexName=awardfull&amp;templateName=1.4.4&amp;s=FPDSNG.COM&amp;q=google" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.fpds.gov&#x2F;ezsearch&#x2F;search.do?indexName=awardfull&amp;...</a><p>Of course they want to sell to the government. The government has money.
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incision超过 10 年前
That was interesting.<p>I&#x27;ve always been a bit curious about Schmidt and what sort of measure someone who is neither in awe nor seeking to impress might make of him.<p>I think the whole piece is probably best summed up with this line towards then end.<p><i>&gt;&quot;What Lockheed Martin was to the twentieth century, technology and cyber-security companies will be to the twenty-first.&quot;</i><p>That certainly makes sense.
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pandatigox超过 10 年前
&gt; By mid-August we discovered that a former German employee—whom I had suspended in 2010—was cultivating business relationships with a variety of organizations and individuals by shopping around the location of the encrypted file, paired with the password’s whereabouts in the book<p>I remember reading Daniel Domscheit-Berg&#x27;s (or was known as Daniel Schmidt, I think) book &quot;Inside WikiLeaks&quot;, which talked about Assange&#x27;s increasing paranoia.<p>I&#x27;m sad to read that the former German employee was once someone very important to Wikileak&#x27;s early days and, if you read the book, someone who was very close to the man himself.<p>I&#x27;m suddenly more worried about Julian Assange and his paranoid&#x2F;conspiracy theory view of the world
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lotsofmangos超过 10 年前
Is interesting to read other people&#x27;s suppositions on this stuff. In a similar vein, I tend to think of Facebook as being just another government agency, but Google has always been much more curious. Google seems to have ambition beyond getting close to power, Google has since the very earliest days seemed that it is interested in being a power in and of itself. The International Olympic Committee has this unusual designation of being a non-geographical state-like entity. I suspect Google would also like that designation.
HonorSworn超过 10 年前
It is not that I believe that Google and Eric Schmidt along with the government are part of some kind of conspiracy. And I do acknowledge that someone like Assange probably is much more paranoid than he should be.<p>It is simply that we should not voluntarily give so much power to a single company.
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state超过 10 年前
I don&#x27;t see the point. Just read the original text. <a href="https://wikileaks.org/Transcript-Meeting-Assange-Schmidt.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;wikileaks.org&#x2F;Transcript-Meeting-Assange-Schmidt.htm...</a>
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lern_too_spel超过 10 年前
The last section reads like the ravings of a conspiracy nut. From associating the DARPA grants that fund many university computer science projects with nefarious spy collaboration to repeating PRISM is the long-debunked full take program of Greenwald&#x27;s fantasy, it&#x27;s straight lunacy.
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oskarth超过 10 年前
I noticed something curious in the comment section:<p>DARPA is mentioned exactly once in this article and then mostly as a tangential point. Despite this, it&#x27;s mentioned several times in multiple critical top-level comments here in the comment section.
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dwd超过 10 年前
Any time you read an article by Assange you have to read it in context and using his meaning for some key concepts:<p>Some further reading: <a href="http://estaticos.elmundo.es/documentos/2010/12/01/conspiracies.pdf" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;estaticos.elmundo.es&#x2F;documentos&#x2F;2010&#x2F;12&#x2F;01&#x2F;conspiraci...</a><p><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/urizenus-sklar/understanding-conspiracy-_b_793463.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.huffingtonpost.com&#x2F;urizenus-sklar&#x2F;understanding-c...</a>
ebgfkjnbe超过 10 年前
I suggest that people reading these comments look through the posting histories of the people bashing Assange and make a judgement about whether or not they&#x27;re real people.<p>You be the judge.
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pkrs超过 10 年前
A lot of what he writes has nothing to do with the facts but rather adds to the general &quot;evil theme&quot;.<p>Somehow he was able to paint having &quot;analyticity&quot; as a bad thing: &quot;Schmidt’s dour appearance concealed a machinelike analyticity&quot;.<p>And acquisitions are conveniently renamed into takeovers: &quot;In 2004, after taking over Keyhole&quot;<p>And then this. I don&#x27;t even:<p>&quot;The hidden hand of the market will never work without a hidden fist. McDonald’s cannot flourish without McDonnell Douglas, the designer of the F-15. And the hidden fist that keeps the world safe for Silicon Valley’s technologies to flourish is called the U.S. Army, Air Force, Navy and Marine Corps.&quot;
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yuhong超过 10 年前
Personally, I do think asking Eric Schmidt to leak this kind of stuff was a horrible idea. But this reminds me of the anti poaching scandal:<p><a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7623873" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=7623873</a><p><a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8156005" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=8156005</a>
AshleysBrain超过 10 年前
In all of Chrome, Firefox and IE, after a few moments the page background turns black, and then it&#x27;s unreadable (black text on black background). Is this happening to anyone else? Is there a readable link? :P
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harry8超过 10 年前
Not a single occurrence in the 154 previous comments of the words rape or rapist. I remember when that number would be 30 or higher. I guess it&#x27;s not so believable anymore?<p>edit: voted down to zero but with no responders. :-)<p>&#x2F;me waves to the NSA propagandists &amp; apologists among us. I remember when many of us would have labeled that a whacky conspiracy theory, not so very long ago. Now we have the evidence that we were wrong we should remind each other of it whenever these stories come up.
auggierose超过 10 年前
Here you might have the real explanation for why Eric Schmidt stepped down.
pedalpete超过 10 年前
Sadly, I found the following pieces gave Assange so little credibility that if he had just written about the last 3rd of the article, it would seem more credible to me.<p>If a suspended employee was shopping around &quot;the location of the encrypted file, paired with the password’s whereabouts&quot; and in &quot;two weeks most intelligence agencies, contractors and middlemen would have all the cables&quot;, wouldn&#x27;t you just move the files and change the password?<p>He then goes on to say &quot;Not only had Hillary Clinton’s people known that Eric Schmidt’s partner had visited me, but they had also elected to use her [Lisa Sheilds] as a back channel.&quot; However, he never mentions who Lisa Sheilds is, just that was Schmidts &#x27;partner&#x27;.<p>I had to research it, but apparently she works for the &quot;Council on Foreign Relations&quot; <a href="http://www.cfr.org/staff/b5862" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cfr.org&#x2F;staff&#x2F;b5862</a> They do a horrible job explaining what they do. But I find it odd that Assange would have left out this details. Sheilds is a conduit to Clinton as well as Schmidts partner. This is an important detail.<p>&quot;While WikiLeaks had been deeply involved in publishing the inner archive of the U.S. State Department, the U.S. State Department had, in effect, snuck into the WikiLeaks command center and hit me up for a free lunch.&quot; Assange blames Google, but he was naive enough to take a meeting, not knowing who the people setting up or attending were? I find this doubtful.<p>&quot;The last forty years have seen a huge proliferation of think tanks and political NGOs whose purpose, beneath all the verbiage, is to execute political agendas by proxy.&quot; Which direction is this statement going? The state is influencing the political agenda&#x27;s of corporations? or vice versa. Was it any other way, and is this a problem as Assange seems to assume it is?<p>Google and the Council on Foreign Affairs put together a conference to &#x27;workshop technological solutions to the problem of “violent extremism.”&#x27; This sounds like a good thing to me, but Assange condescendingly and rhetorically asks &quot;What could go wrong?&quot;, ok, I&#x27;ll bite. What went wrong? Unfortunately, he never answers.<p>&quot;Google Ideas is bigger, but it follows the same game plan. Glance down the speaker lists of its annual invite-only get-togethers, such as “Crisis in a Connected World” in October 2013. Social network theorists and activists give the event a veneer of authenticity, but in truth it boasts a toxic piñata of attendees: U.S. officials, telecom magnates, security consultants, finance capitalists and foreign-policy tech vultures... &quot; Invite-only ? Really? Is this surprising for such a gathering? If so, what are the activists doing with the foreign-policy tech vultures? Who&#x27;s calling them vultures?<p>&quot;I began to think of Schmidt as a brilliant but politically hapless Californian tech billionaire who had been exploited by ... U.S. foreign-policy types&quot;. He again here is assuming that Schmidts agenda and that of US Foreign Policy are not aligned.<p>If this article didn&#x27;t have Julian Assange posted all over it, I almost think it would be more credible. What I&#x27;ve never understood about those who praise Assange (not WikiLeaks as an idea, but the way Assange runs it) is that he&#x27;s as bad as many of the actions of people reported in the leaks. He has his own political agenda, and is given a huge volume of classified information by a third party, and he then decides what of these classified information gets published and what doesn&#x27;t. What makes him the deciding factor in all of this? If you think you&#x27;re doing good publishing information that others think is classified, than publish the information. Don&#x27;t pick through it, see what you think will make headlines or embarrass people you don&#x27;t like, and publish only that which you feel is fit to press.
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modifier超过 10 年前
To any &quot;outsider&quot; unfamiliar with Hacker News, it&#x27;s heavily populated with Google employees, contractors, and developers that build on to Google products and services.<p>Keep that in mind when you read the comments here.
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xnull2guest超过 10 年前
Partnerships with US Corporations has always played a role in US Foreign Policy. Right now the military is talking about replacing large parts of its active forces with private companies. For information systems and telecommunication, launching rockets, building planes, creating munitions, researching weapons, it is the same.<p>Eisenhower gave his famous speech in 1961 on the forming Military-Industrial Complex. Military-Industrial because it partners the Military and Industry. (He warns America that if it goes unchecked, it could have dire consequences. I&#x27;m not saying it&#x27;s gone unchecked - that&#x27;s a different discussion.)<p><a href="http://coursesa.matrix.msu.edu/~hst306/documents/indust.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;coursesa.matrix.msu.edu&#x2F;~hst306&#x2F;documents&#x2F;indust.html</a><p>I go to my earlier point, the partnerships are not limited to munitions. Using Google to spy on foreign countries already shows that they have an intimate relationship. The question is whether Google is involved in Foreign Policy in other ways.<p>From GCHQ to NSA: &quot;Let&#x27;s be blunt - the Western World (especially the US) gained influence due to drafting earlier standards:<p>* The US was a major player in shaping today&#x27;s internet. This resulted in pervasive exportation of America&#x27;s culture as well as technology. It also resulted in a lot of money being made by US entities.&quot;<p><a href="http://hbpub.vo.llnwd.net/o16/video/olmk/holt/greenwald/NoPlaceToHide-Documents-Compressed.pdf" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;hbpub.vo.llnwd.net&#x2F;o16&#x2F;video&#x2F;olmk&#x2F;holt&#x2F;greenwald&#x2F;NoPl...</a> (96)<p>The US would have a lot to gain if they could use Google to &#x27;prioritize and export US culture&#x27;. Google&#x27;s CEO sounds an awful lot like he&#x27;s saying that.<p>From the intro text:<p>&quot;They outlined radically opposing perspectives: for Assange, the liberating power of the Internet is based on its freedom and statelessness. For Schmidt, emancipation is at one with U.S. foreign policy objectives and is driven by connecting non-Western countries to Western companies and markets.&quot;<p>The US keeps an eye out on US Companies, too. Seems like an easy trade for me if I were a CEO. It will also help you expand your international base. Win-win.<p><a href="https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/09/05/us-governments-plans-use-economic-espionage-benefit-american-corporations/" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;firstlook.org&#x2F;theintercept&#x2F;2014&#x2F;09&#x2F;05&#x2F;us-governments...</a>
mikebay超过 10 年前
I really dont like google or they &quot;dont be evil&quot; lies. I believe they are the one of the most dangerous organization.. Call me skeptic or negative, I hope people would use they head and tey to avoid googles services..
anonbanker超过 10 年前
It wasn&#x27;t until this article that I realized that Eric Schmidt of Google was the same Eric Schmidt of Sun Microsystems that famously said &quot;you have zero privacy anyway. get over it&quot;.<p>Why am I supporting Google?
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