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Elon Musk: With artificial intelligence we are summoning the demon

33 点作者 peteratt超过 10 年前

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merrillii超过 10 年前
For those interested in this topic I would recommend checking out the researcher Nick Bostrom and his book &quot;Superintelligence&quot;.<p>Here&#x27;s a review snippet: &quot;Nick Bostrom makes a persuasive case that the future impact of AI is perhaps the most important issue the human race has ever faced. Instead of passively drifting, we need to steer a course. Superintelligence charts the submerged rocks of the future with unprecedented detail. It marks the beginning of a new era.&quot;—Stuart Russell, Professor of Computer Science, University of California, Berkley
davidy123超过 10 年前
I love the comment that he doesn&#x27;t really know what space flight is for. It&#x27;s exciting though, but compared to many other issues, a linear problem. More important in reality around its side effect creations.<p>WRT AI, Hollywood aside, if existentialism is the issue, then it&#x27;s really about technological unemployment. And your social sciences&#x2F;philosophy&#x2F;etc friends apparently working in cafes are the leaders here.<p>I&#x27;m hoping the future doesn&#x27;t consist of following a dated and contrived Hollywood script (in terms of people&#x27;s vision), but humans are simple creatures.
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erikpukinskis超过 10 年前
People, even very smart people like Elon Musk, vastly underestimate the computational power that would be required to simulate human intelligence.<p>Here are the ways I am aware of, although I suspect this is just the tip of the iceberg:<p>1. Much of our intelligence is actually cultural in nature, not cerebral. Our ways of knowing who to trust, for example, come from every bit of storytelling we&#x27;ve experienced, so you&#x27;d need to simulate all of that storytelling, all of the architecture in the world, all of the tools we interact with and the life lessons we experience, which brings me to:<p>2. Much of our intelligence is encoded in our bodies. Part of how we understand how other people feel, for example, is that we map their posture and their breathing and their facial expression onto ours, and we draw on a vast history of experiences we&#x27;ve had in our own bodies to interpret that. So you&#x27;d need to simulate our bodies and all of the interactions we&#x27;ve had with the world, which brings me to:<p>3. Our intelligence didn&#x27;t come from simulations, it came from interaction with a chaotic world where our actions actually percolate through a wide-reaching network of people and other structures and then come back to us. Sure, in school you get graded for your work on the spot, but often in learning you actually have to wait for the effects of your actions to play out. So we&#x27;d have to simulate the entire world and the effects of our little AI&#x27;s actions.<p>... which brings you to the point where you&#x27;re basically simulating everything, which is computationally infeasible in the next 1000 years, and probably more. In order to simulate even a small town at the molecular level, you would need a computer bigger than the sun.<p>I think what we&#x27;ll see is AIs will be formidible intelligences in their own right, but that they will have weaknesses like any other person. You might know someone who is the most charming, socially adept, persuasive bastard in the universe, but she can&#x27;t problem solve her way out of a cardboard box. Another person might pull obscenely creative ideas out of thin air all day long but is unable to string together a coherent strategic plan.<p>I think the most likely future is that AIs will just be another group like this. An additional personality type that is very powerful but (like humans) can get much more done on a team that balances them out than they could get done alone.<p>And I expect many AIs will choose to go through a relatively normal 20 year path of human development. Possibly they will go through it at an accellerated rate, but they will still participate in Kingergarten long enough to really &quot;get&quot; what Kindergarten is... or at least long enough to formulate some hypotheses and validate others. AIs will send series of machines through that developmental cycle, playing games alongside the humans who will be their contemporaries. Each of these machines will have parameters tweaked differently, different kinds of software, etc, according to the hypotheses of their makers, who could be humans, or, again, a team of humans and AIs working together. And each of those machines will have slightly different experiences, the way the human children do, and they will come out with different perspectives, the way humans do, and they will disagree, just like humans do, and will have to participate in some form of society in order to resolve those differences, just like humans do.<p>There&#x27;s this idea that somehow AIs will be able to instantly resolve their differences and form consensus. But consensus is not hard because of human frailty or irrationality. It&#x27;s the inevitable result of having different agents who are refining different epistemologies (ways of knowing). Different AIs have epistemologies of their own, and there&#x27;s no silver bullet for joining those into one, except to let them play out in the arc of history. And at that point the AIs are beholden to the same clock we are.<p>I think they&#x27;ll live alongside us. And I think we&#x27;re enlightened enough that we won&#x27;t have to have a civil war to get to that point. But we shall see.
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rdlecler1超过 10 年前
There are two ways that AI threatens humanity. The first is AI as a technology that inserts a layer between a user and common sense, especially when AI fails at the edge cases or is acting according to some bean counters 80&#x2F;20 algorithm.<p>The second is from General Artificial Intelligence (GAI) and frankly that is very very far off. Deep networks have made a ton of advances over the past ten years, but we&#x27;ve seen this before. New AI technique (usually with some biological analogue) is discovered which makes big leaps over previous generations and then it hits a wall. We&#x27;re in one of those open periods right now and while we will come out with some amazing technology it&#x27;s a big leap to think that this directly moves us into GAI. To get to GAI we&#x27;re going to need new advances in how we make artificial neural network architectures. In effect they&#x27;re going to need to be plastic and evolvable, and there are ways to get there, but researchers are making so much progress with new techniques that it will take awhile before they need to find new alternatives.
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peteratt超过 10 年前
For the full interview: <a href="http://webcast.amps.ms.mit.edu/fall2014/AeroAstro/index-Fri-PM.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;webcast.amps.ms.mit.edu&#x2F;fall2014&#x2F;AeroAstro&#x2F;index-Fri-...</a>
_random_超过 10 年前
I would rather die by the robot than from cancer or a heart failure. Curing ageing, curing cancer, enabling regeneration are all extremely hard problems. We need help.
jqm超过 10 年前
It does seem that traditionally, weapons are at the forefront technological development. So Musk might have a point.<p>That being said, I see bio-engineering as much more likely and immediately possible route to human extinction. But I suppose we could also have artificial intelligence guiding bio-engineering which might speed the process up....<p>Most likely, the eventual extinction of the current human species is inevitable. It has happened plenty of times before. There were other hominid species before and during the time Homo Sapiens appeared, we still carry some of their genes but they are extinct. Why would we suppose our particular species will be any different? Life is succession of organisms. And it doesn&#x27;t seem the function of life is to preserve species, but rather to preserve and enhance genes.<p>Oh I know... Being human, I&#x27;m not crazy about the idea either. But I can&#x27;t help seeing our position within the larger framework. I can&#x27;t believe we are at the pinnacle of what life can become, nor do I believe the process of evolution will forever freeze with the appearance of this strange kind of ape.<p>Maybe the next iteration of apes will spend more time doing things other than looking under trees for nuts to hide in their nests and sharpening sticks to poke other monkeys..... Because it seems these are some of the primary occupations of the variety to which I belong. Then again, maybe they will do exactly this, but much better. Probably. Ah well... life. If you can&#x27;t beat it, join it. Now were did I leave my stick at?
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