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If you use a Mac or Android, e-commerce sites may be charging you more

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bdkoepke超过 10 年前
I use <a href="http://camelcamelcamel.com" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;camelcamelcamel.com</a> for amazon price tracking. Does anyone know of any other websites like this with price tracking?<p>For instance, Artificial intelligence a modern approach is $135 right now, but using this site I can see that it was &lt;$90 in January of this year and it hit $100 in September: <a href="http://camelcamelcamel.com/Artificial-Intelligence-Modern-Approach-Edition/product/0136042597?context=browse" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;camelcamelcamel.com&#x2F;Artificial-Intelligence-Modern-Ap...</a><p>Same story with Introduction to Algorithms, except it is now $80 and the lowest it hit was $44 in October: <a href="http://camelcamelcamel.com/Introduction-Algorithms-Edition-Thomas-Cormen/product/0262033844?context=browse" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;camelcamelcamel.com&#x2F;Introduction-Algorithms-Edition-T...</a>
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justcommenting超过 10 年前
these practices are converging on something like a 21st century version of redlining, and i hope consumer advocates will work to expose and address these modern forms of <i>opaque</i> price discrimination.<p>some may claim that these practices can benefit consumers, but unless it&#x27;s done transparently in ways that consumers know and understand, it primarily serves to increase information asymmetry.
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lorddoig超过 10 年前
&gt; Unfortunately, the business logic underlying much of this personalization remains a mystery.<p>Price discrimination appears, at first glance, to be about maximising profit, but really it&#x27;s about <i>clearing the market</i>.<p>Say you&#x27;re a cinema, and you set your list price for a ticket at £10. 20 adults show up and buy the tickets and are happy. Then 10 students show up, scoff, and go home - they weren&#x27;t willing to go above £7. The market has not cleared: you&#x27;d be happier with £70 from them than the nothing you&#x27;ve got, and the students would be happier being £70 worse off but having seen the film. Neither party got what they wanted, no trade occurred, and no economic value was created.<p>The situation could be improved so that everybody gets what they want without harming anybody else: set a student rate at £7. Students get to see the films and your cinema makes more money - everyone is as happy as they <i>could</i> be.<p>In this example, the criteria for price discrimination is discovered by intuition, existing knowledge of students, maybe surveys. But even this isn&#x27;t ideal - what about that one <i>really</i> tight student who buys pasta in 20kg bags and who values a trip to the cinema at £4? Ideally you want their £4 and they want to see the film - but how to cater for them without shooting yourself in the foot by making the student price £4 across the board?<p>Until the advent of the internet and fancy algorithms that could at least try to understand you, you couldn&#x27;t. But today maybe we can.<p>Everyone has their own &quot;true&quot; valuation for a given product (<i>not</i> how much they think it should be worth, but how much they&#x27;re willing to pay), and if you&#x27;re a supplier with a magic ball which can divine this with 100% accuracy then you&#x27;re as well selling your product at 1p over cost if that&#x27;s your customer&#x27;s true valuation. Again: they get the product they wanted and you get profit you couldn&#x27;t have had any other way, and everyone&#x27;s as happy as they can be.<p>But we don&#x27;t have magic balls, and you can&#x27;t ask someone for their true valuation because suddenly you&#x27;ll find yourself knee-deep in a bartering game of bullshit and lies. Your only option is to try to divine it somehow.<p>This is what these guys are doing. And it&#x27;s a good thing. To say &quot;this is wrong and it should stop&quot; is incredibly selfish - with reference to the example above, an equivalent statement might be &quot;Yes I&#x27;ll pay £10 to see this movie, but only if those students don&#x27;t get a discount, which I implicitly understand to mean robbing you, dear cinema owner, of £70, and those students of the chance to see this hot new flick, even though both of those things are fuck all to do with me.&quot;<p>If you&#x27;re a habitual bargain hunter (not out of necessity, more as a personality trait) and you&#x27;re feeling affronted by this then all you need do is take a cue from these companies and adjust your tactics to suit the 21st century. Googling around may have done you proud up til now, but the world has moved on. I daresay that once you&#x27;ve mastered the art of using a VPN, user agent spoofing, and possibly the cultivation of a set of dishonest consumer profiles, you may find you&#x27;ll save <i>even</i> more money in the face of this new enemy.
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calbear81超过 10 年前
I can provide some insight into why the hotel prices are different (I run Room77, a hotel metasearch site). Generally, many hotels enforce a parity price display rule with their sellers (think Minimum Advertised Price) so the travel sites aren&#x27;t supposed to market a rate below the market price. There are exceptions built in for &quot;members only&quot; clubs since these users are gated and allowed to get a non-public rate. There are also exceptions in some cases for mobile rate discounting since they are generally last minute and if you have the app installed you could technically be considered part of a &quot;club&quot;.
userbinator超过 10 年前
I wonder if this works in the other direction too: pretend you&#x27;re accessing their site from e.g. IE6 on Win98... or maybe a somewhat more recent but still extremely-outdated configuration that at least will work with their site.<p>Several years ago, for a brief period I used <i>no</i> user-agent header, which caused quite a few sites to show nothing more than an obscure &quot;500 internal server error&quot; message, which disappeared as soon as a UA header was added, even if it contained nothing more than random rubbish.
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pixelcort超过 10 年前
Here&#x27;s an auction style that could be used to determine an optimal price, particularly for digital goods:<p>1. Each shopper specifies the max they&#x27;re willing to pay for the item. Perhaps pre-auth this price on their credit card.<p>2. Merchant calculates - for every hypothetical price point - total revenue from all the shoppers who would we willing to pay at least that hypothetical price.<p>3. Whichever price causes the most revenue wins. All shoppers who are willing to pay at least this much are charged and receive the item.
trhway超过 10 年前
Cue in Digital Millenium Retail Act prohibiting circumvention of technical measures of personalization (like turning cookies off with intent to circumvent personalization)...
egeozcan超过 10 年前
&gt; Doepfner said the resulting dramatic drop in traffic to his company&#x27;s publications was proof of Google&#x27;s overwhelming power in the search market. He said he hoped lawmakers, courts and competition regulators would take action to curb its powers.<p>No the dramatic drop was caused by you relying on a search engine&#x27;s news section too much to build your online business and then simply ditching it with no alternative. If Google has overwhelming power in the search market, then Bild has overwhelming power in the newspaper market. Not being able to utilize that is your fault and it&#x27;s pathetic (sorry for the strong word) to call lawmakers into action in this case.
goforads超过 10 年前
It&#x27;s worth reading the actual paper closely.<p><a href="http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/cbw/pdf/imc151-hannak.pdf" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ccs.neu.edu&#x2F;home&#x2F;cbw&#x2F;pdf&#x2F;imc151-hannak.pdf</a><p>The authors didn&#x27;t find any smoking gun. None. Zero.<p>They found some travel sites offering member discounts--no surprise there. They also found sellers were personalizing search rankings--no surprise again. And they found a persistent pricing differential for Home Depot, but were careful to note that it could be a server-side quirk.
newscracker超过 10 年前
It shouldn&#x27;t be difficult for someone to come up with a meta-search service that would search for prices from multiple geographical locations, different user agents and (with lesser likelihood) different user profiles. Such a service would also have to provide the user the ability to use the lowest priced profile to complete the purchase (although this may not work for all websites).<p>Is there already something that fulfills at least the first two criteria across a range of products, services and sellers?
throwaway_xl5超过 10 年前
Nuance&#x27;s commerce site gave me a half-price offer when browsed from Chrome on Android that was not visible on the same browser on Linux and Windows machines. I suspect that it was some kind of error since it wasn&#x27;t declared as a special offer, just shown with a lower price. I was actually quite surprised when the lower price held all the way through online checkout as I imagined the stock and checkout functions would be managed separately from the main site.
harryjo超过 10 年前
Not that the WaPo article links <i>directly</i> to a September <i>2000</i> article about Amazon doing a <i>random</i> (not demographic) price test, while claiming it happened in 2010. Does WaPo believe in time travel, or just cheap smears against Amazon?
snlacks超过 10 年前
I don&#x27;t really mind, but I see why people do. What bothered me is when I opened an incognito browser to look at Home Depot, then moved to Amazon, the latter was showing me a bunch of tools and MAN STUFF (weights, leather jackets, etc).
click170超过 10 年前
There are browser extensions to automatically compare prices for you already, is there something insufficient about those extensions or is it just that they aren&#x27;t widely known and used?
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etep超过 10 年前
So basically e-commerce sites are charging me more?