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What an Uncensored Letter to M.L.K. Reveals

420 点作者 rooster8超过 10 年前

23 条评论

declan超过 10 年前
Much of this was known before, including the FBI&#x27;s anonymous letter attempting to provoke a suicide. As others said elsewhere in this thread, documents came out during the Church Committee. I wrote this 15 years ago when I worked at Time:<p><pre><code> The FBI&#x27;s campaign to destroy Dr. Martin Luther King began in December 1963, soon after the famous civil rights March on Washington. It started with an extensive -- and illegal -- electronic surveillance of King that probed into every corner of his personal life. Two weeks after the march, the same week King appeared on the cover of Time magazine as &quot;Man of the Year,&quot; FBI agents inserted a microphone in King&#x27;s bedroom. (&quot;They had to dig deep in the garbage to come up with that one,&quot; FBI director J. Edgar Hoover said of the Time cover story.) Hoover wiretapped King&#x27;s phone and fed the information to the Defense Department and to friendly newspapermen. When King travelled to Europe to receive the Nobel Peace Prize, Hoover tried to derail meetings between King and foreign officials, including the Pope. Hoover even sent King an anonymous letter, using information gathered through illegal surveillance, to encourage the depressed civil rights leader to commit suicide. &quot;The actions taken against Dr. King are indefensible. They represent a sad episode in the dark history of covert actions directed against law-abiding citizens by a law enforcement agency,&quot; a Senate committee concluded in 1976. […] History reveals that time and again, the FBI, the military and other law enforcement organizations have ignored the law and spied on Americans illegally, without court authorization. Government agencies have subjected hundreds of thousands of law-abiding Americans to unjust surveillance, illegal wiretaps and warrantless searches. Eleanor Roosevelt, Martin Luther King Jr., feminists, gay rights leaders and Catholic priests were spied on. The FBI used secret files and hidden microphones to blackmail the Kennedy brothers, sway the Supreme Court and influence presidential elections. </code></pre> <a href="http://www.politechbot.com/p-00660.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.politechbot.com&#x2F;p-00660.html</a>
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wyager超过 10 年前
Let this serve as a demonstration that government agencies actually can be comically evil.<p>A lot of people dismiss accusations against government agencies or fail to consider hypothetical legal abuse scenarios because &quot;the government would never do that&quot;. Yes, the government <i>would</i> ever do that.
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Mikeb85超过 10 年前
It continually amazes me that Americans can perpetuate the myth that their government is a democratic, moral force in the world given everything they have done, and are still doing...
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samirmenon超过 10 年前
The New York Times actually broke the story.<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/16/magazine/what-an-uncensored-letter-to-mlk-reveals.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;2014&#x2F;11&#x2F;16&#x2F;magazine&#x2F;what-an-uncensore...</a>
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alukima超过 10 年前
I spent an obsessive night searching through documents via online &#x27;reading rooms&#x27;. I don&#x27;t have the links anymore but theres mounds of documentation showing intelligence agencies doing shady shit like this to try to break up civil rights groups. Fun look ups are &#x27;blank panthers&#x27;, &#x27;san francisco&#x27;, &#x27;socialist&#x27;, any black leader.<p>San Francisco seems like a broad term but there&#x27;s so much interesting stuff, they were watching school teachers in the 60s and 70s and trying to create distrust within communities that were too left leaning.<p><a href="http://vault.fbi.gov/search" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;vault.fbi.gov&#x2F;search</a> <a href="http://www.foia.cia.gov/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.foia.cia.gov&#x2F;</a>
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mynameishere超过 10 年前
Eventually we&#x27;ll know what&#x27;s in his file:<p><i>The FBI spied on Martin Luther King Jr. in an unsuccessful effort to prove he had ties to Communist organizations. In 1963, Attorney General Robert Kennedy granted an FBI request to surreptitiously record King and his associates by tapping their phones and placing hidden microphones in their homes, hotel rooms and offices. A 1977 court order sealed transcripts of the surveillance tapes for 50 years.</i><p><a href="http://www.smithsonianmag.com/40th-anniversary/nine-historical-archives-that-will-spill-new-secrets-966931/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.smithsonianmag.com&#x2F;40th-anniversary&#x2F;nine-historic...</a><p>...some people think he made extensive use of prostitutes, but I expect the FBI would have pulled an &quot;Eliot Spitzer&quot; on him had that been the case. Still, there&#x27;s something there or they wouldn&#x27;t be covering it up to protect his saintly image.
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opendais超过 10 年前
Tbh, this is what scares me about tech illiterate juries. Many of these cases hang on key pieces of evidence that are literally the FBI&#x27;s word against the defendants.
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scintill76超过 10 年前
The unredacted version is really interesting historically, but I don&#x27;t think it reveals much more about the lengths the FBI went to. I believe it was already well-known and believed that King was being sexually blackmailed specifically. The redacted portions all seem to deal with that exact nature of the blackmailing.<p>The redaction reveals more about what the FBI wouldn&#x27;t do: how at least one person was reluctant to release public documentation proving that&#x27;s what the FBI did.
johnny99超过 10 年前
Snopes has a good explainer largely debunking one of the nastier pieces of misinformation circulating about MLK, which touches on FBI surveillance of him:<p><a href="http://www.snopes.com/history/american/mlking.asp" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.snopes.com&#x2F;history&#x2F;american&#x2F;mlking.asp</a>
rglover超过 10 年前
Something that&#x27;s always confused me about the world and people as a whole. Why are so many people hell bent on implementing some &quot;moral standard&quot; that everyone needs to follow? Honestly?<p>There&#x27;s this bizarre projection of the individual and his&#x2F;her motivations onto every living being that fails to make any logical sense.<p>Is there any psychological premise for why we feel the need to dictate the behavior of others such that they perfectly mirror how <i>we</i> behave (or in many cases, wish to)?<p>There appears to be a tipping point where someone agrees with a certain set of values and as opposed to stopping at enforcing those values on themselves (reasonable), they go absolutely nuts trying to push it onto everyone else.<p>A sort of: <i>how dare you</i>.
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neue超过 10 年前
When was the letter written? What marked the significance of &#x27;34 days later&#x27;?
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rooster8超过 10 年前
The URL was changed to the NY Times article that originally broke the story, but this post originally linked to an EFF interpretation of the article:<p>FBI&#x27;s &quot;Suicide Letter&quot; to Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., and the Dangers of Unchecked Surveillance<p><a href="https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/11/fbis-suicide-letter-dr-martin-luther-king-jr-and-dangers-unchecked-surveillance" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.eff.org&#x2F;deeplinks&#x2F;2014&#x2F;11&#x2F;fbis-suicide-letter-dr...</a>
jqm超过 10 年前
To me, the most ironic part of the whole situation is Hoover&#x27;s private behavior...<p>That aside, there is very little doubt in my mind Hoover was a bad man. The sad part is, many people eventually are bad given the chance and they never even know it. This is why impartial rules and transparency are important.<p>This may not be a common sentiment, but I look forward to the day when we are governed by machines rather than monkeys. I mean... the constitution, the rules of state and religion, they are algorithms no? Designed to remove as much as possible the corruptible human element from the equation? So why not take this concept a level further? That&#x27;s my thinking.<p>Eventually there will always be another Hoover. But the next one might have better tools. But I think the human race can build a better system based on principals of efficiency, impartiality and beneficence. And maybe after a bit more waste, abuse and needless suffering caused by greed (that is the bottom line with the people who run the Hoovers of the world no?) it will.
jack-r-abbit超过 10 年前
If this hadn&#x27;t been labeled &quot;suicide letter&quot; I never would have read into it that the writer wanted King to kill himself. &quot;You know what to do&quot; is actually pretty vague. Do what? Come clean about his affairs? Leave the country? Quit being a pain in the ass for the government? Quit working on civil rights?
sopooneo超过 10 年前
Do we have a guess as to why they wanted him dead? Was it that those in power believed the rise of African American citizens would disrupt the power structure and their position in it? Or was it purely racist, with the powerful just believing it was <i>wrong</i> for black people to have equal rights?
josho超过 10 年前
This puts in context why privacy is so important. If for some reason you were to become a leader of a movement and the NSA had swept up every digital bit about you for the last 30 years then they could potentially have a goldmine of information to soil your name and put the movement into disarray.
codezero超过 10 年前
Wow the redacted parts read like modern day news article comment sections. I wonder, was it meant to look like it was sent from a crazy person, but to include specific facts to scare MLK, or is this aligned with the typical kinds of personality attacks done by people at the time?
dangayle超过 10 年前
How hard would it be to create a fake internet paper trail containing pornography, chat rooms, etc., as is mentioned in the article? It seems that would be relatively trivial for a sufficiently motivated state actor to perpetrate.
pitt1980超过 10 年前
maybe we should compare some of these misdeeds to the misdeeds of the various communist governments that inspired those misdeeds
comrade1超过 10 年前
This was in the 1960s. Imagine the projects being conceived now for targeting individuals and population subsets to change opinion, mood, etc. using things like social media, targeted communications, etc.<p>The US then and now was totalitarian and authoritarian. Some of you, especially here on hn, may not fall into those mind-sets but it doesn&#x27;t matter - you&#x27;ve lost - you&#x27;re barely scraping by, working 60 to 80 hours a week and you have no time to change your environment. Meanwhile the political class is able to work full-time on perpetuating their power while taking away yours. You have no power, no rights, because they have been chiseled away the last 30 years by the authoritarians.<p>I&#x27;ve said this before and I&#x27;m always downvoted but I don&#x27;t care. Just leave. Go to Berlin, or London (not much better though), Switzerland, or anywhere else. Even if you go to someplace like the UK that isn&#x27;t much better than the u.s. you will at least no longer be contributing to a government spending 10X to 100X of any other country on arguably evil pursuits. Take your wealth-creation skills to somewhere else where you won&#x27;t be contributing to your our demise.<p>I know that many of you will discount this one event as a one-off - MLK was certainly special. But it&#x27;s only a one-off because it was the start of this sort of campaign against someone that can bring change.
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daveloyall超过 10 年前
Is there any indication that the modern FBI et al would use a strategy like this?<p>OMG STOP THE PRESSES I figured out the men&#x27;s rights thing!
baxterross超过 10 年前
The government does more harm than good
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diminoten超过 10 年前
I find myself afraid to criticize this submission, because I don&#x27;t feel an honest discourse about this submission can take place on Hacker News.<p>That should sadden you, as it saddens me.