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Ask HN: Why aren't people using PayPal Payflow?

10 点作者 aj0strow超过 10 年前
Looking at the PayPal pricing (https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.paypal.com&#x2F;ca&#x2F;webapps&#x2F;mpp&#x2F;merchant-fees), it seems there&#x27;s a complete steal. Underneath the Stripe-esque 2.9% + $0.30 per transaction, there&#x27;s this.<p>Payflow Pro<p>$25 Monthly Fee $99 setup $0.10 per transaction<p>From Stripe, &quot;We offer volume discounts to businesses processing more than $80,000 per month.&quot; Seems like any business above $1k per month and under $80k would save money. ($25 &#x2F; 2.9% = $862).<p>Am I missing something?

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patio11超过 10 年前
The developer experience for Paypal integrations leaves... much to be desired. I don&#x27;t know how to convey the magnitude of the difference without forcing you to implement code against a Paypal API.<p>Maybe, for a taste of it: Paypal ships API documentation as X00 page PDF files. Their Payflow Pro product, being relatively simple, requires only 176 pages.<p>Or, in terms of design decisions, consider all the fun of writing software which implements a case statement that maps error code 100 to &quot;Invalid transaction returned from host (Processor), in the case where the processor is Global Payments East or Central.&quot; to, well, whatever the heck you&#x27;re supposed to do when that happens.
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dangrossman超过 10 年前
&gt; Am I missing something?<p>Yes, a merchant account. &quot;Start accepting credit cards using your existing merchant account.&quot;<p>PayFlow is just a gateway. A gateway cannot process credit cards without being attached to a merchant account; it is just an API to bridge the web with the processing network of the merchant account provider. You can&#x27;t use it to charge credit cards for $25 and $0.10 per transaction, you pay that _on top of_ the processing fees charged by the merchant account provider.<p>PayFlow was previously a Verisign product that PayPal acquired in 2006.<p>That isn&#x27;t to say you can&#x27;t save money over Stripe with PayPal. PayPal Payments Pro is their integrated gateway and processing solution, and discounts below Stripe&#x27;s rates start at $3,000 per month of volume instead of $80,000 per month.<p><a href="https://www.paypal.com/us/webapps/mpp/merchant-fees" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.paypal.com&#x2F;us&#x2F;webapps&#x2F;mpp&#x2F;merchant-fees</a>
webnrrd2k超过 10 年前
There is a decent range of businesses who are well-served by going the Payflow route -- government offices, non-profits, Universities, etc... Generally small-to-mid-sized businesses with small-to-mid-sized payment processing needs.<p>It&#x27;s been a while, but I&#x27;ve set up a few Payflow-based systems, and it&#x27;s been a great way to go... Payflow allows you much more control and detailed logging than, say Stripe. Yes, it&#x27;s a bit of a pain to get it all set up at first, and there are a few tricks with error handling, but it&#x27;s a good way to go to implement your own payment system.
joshdance超过 10 年前
First mind share. If you are a developer and you want payments, currently you think Stripe.<p>Second, ease of use reputation. Paypal is not known to be easy to integrate with and use.<p>Third, reputation in general. Paypal has a history and reputation (whether deserved or not) of freezing your accounts and leaving you in the worst situation etc.