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What It Would Really Take to Reverse Climate Change

59 点作者 markmassie超过 10 年前

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ryandvm超过 10 年前
Bear with me, I&#x27;ve got a hypothetical for you.<p>If absolutely, rock-solid research came out that concluded that climate change was <i>not</i> anthropogenic, would we still be talking about reversing it? That is, say it&#x27;s all due to solar cycles or cosmic smog or whatever. And assume that we&#x27;d still be under the specter of all the same nasty repercussions - would we be talking about reversing it or coping with it?<p>And if it turns out that the global conversation would shift towards adjustment strategies - then isn&#x27;t that what we should be talking about now?<p>Because as a practical matter - reversing a 200 year old problem in the making is probably about as difficult as reversing a natural phenomenon.<p>Of course another angle is forget the origin of the problem altogether and focus on costs. If it&#x27;s going to cost 90 trillion to undo it all or 40 trillion to adjust - what should we do? Keep in mind that at this scale, money roughly translates to human lives (foreign aid, healthcare, education, etc).
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grondilu超过 10 年前
In his lecture called &quot;Heretical Thoughts About Science and Society&quot;[1], Freeman Dyson[2] states: &quot;the problem of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is a problem of land management, not a problem of meteorology&quot;.<p>This is based on a calculus of the yearly increase in thickness averaged over one half of the land area of the planet, if all the carbon we&#x27;re emitting by burning fossil fuel were turned into biomass by photosynthesis.<p>This yearly increase is one hundredth of an inch, and illustrates the &quot;very favorable rate of exchange between carbon in the atmosphere and carbon in the soil&quot;.<p>1. <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xFLjUt2leM" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=8xFLjUt2leM</a><p>2. <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freeman_dyson" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Freeman_dyson</a>
tim333超过 10 年前
&gt;What It Would Really Take to Reverse Climate Change<p>It really depends which bit you want to reverse. The climate has changed for billions of years in all sorts of ways. The main thing people seem to worry about is temperature and there are artificial ways it could be lowered - SO2 and the like. Though I doubt anyone wants to go there.<p>I&#x27;m quite optimistic on renewables taking over eg.<p>&quot;Solar has won. Even if coal were free to burn, power stations couldn&#x27;t compete&quot; - The Guardian <a href="http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/07/solar-has-won-even-if-coal-were-free-to-burn-power-stations-couldnt-compete" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;commentisfree&#x2F;2014&#x2F;jul&#x2F;07&#x2F;solar-h...</a>
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melling超过 10 年前
I don&#x27;t think most people believe in climate change so you&#x27;d probably need to convince more people that it&#x27;s actually a problem.<p>If you read the WSJ, Facebook, etc, you&#x27;ll frequently see comments like the following which had nothing to do with climate change and was about the Rosetta probe.<p><a href="http://online.wsj.com/articles/rosetta-probe-directly-discovers-organic-molecules-on-comet-1416256078?hubRefSrc=email#lf_comment=237691475" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;online.wsj.com&#x2F;articles&#x2F;rosetta-probe-directly-discov...</a><p>&quot;Lets hope that with our last election that the US can get back to real science instead of voodoo climate change superstitions whose purpose is to enrich Democrats and ecowhaacos and to make poor people&#x27;s energy costs go up.&quot;<p>The comment was upvoted a dozen times. I took the couple questions that I answered and started my own FAQ: <a href="http://thespanishsite.com/faq/climate" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;thespanishsite.com&#x2F;faq&#x2F;climate</a>
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PeterWhittaker超过 10 年前
Summary: Zero-carbon energy sources so cheap that the operators of power plants and industrial facilities alike have an economic rationale for switching over within the next 40 years.
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squozzer超过 10 年前
An equally likely solution - probably more likely, given the historical trends of governments - would be to declare half the population as &quot;undesirables&quot;, force them to live a pre-industrial existence (if you allow them to live at all), and double the energy prices for the other half, which I&#x27;m sure they&#x27;ll gladly pay given the alternative.
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asgard1024超过 10 年前
I am not sure how they envision renewable energy (that just barely collects solar power) ever competing on the market with coal and oil that&#x27;s just sitting there waiting to be picked up (that accumulated solar power for thousands years).<p>It&#x27;s like trying to write new commercial Unix-like operating system, and expect profit, when the companies can already use Linux which is already there and into which the investment has been made.<p>The problem is that we really need to leave that coal and oil in the ground, and not touch it (at least for a couple hundred years), and there is no way markets alone can do that. Even price regulations like carbon tax may not accomplish that goal.
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